2-man mechanics

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by jdmara

R2 on second with a long fly ball him into the "Outfield V" (Center field on the right side of third). The BU has the catch/no catch call since the ball is in the "V". R2 tags up to advance to third base. Who has the possible play at third base? What is the proper rotation? Thanks

-Josh

There is no rotation with R2 only. BU has it all.

Rotation comes into play with R2/R1, less than two out. Trying to change the standard rotation in a pregame is patchwork umpiring and will lead to getting burned.

[David B]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

There is no rotation with R2 only. BU has it all.

Rotation comes into play with R2/R1, less than two out. Trying to change the standard rotation in a pregame is patchwork umpiring and will lead to getting burned.

That sounds good in theory but is not the key, read Rich's post above.

Flexibility is the key, and you will not get burned when you communicate.

Thanks
David

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by David B

That sounds good in theory but is not the key, read Rich's post above.

Flexibility is the key, and you will not get burned when you communicate.

Thanks
David

While at times this may be correct, I don't believe this is one.

A play as simple and strightforward as the OP should be handled in standard fashion. If you have to deviate for a play like that you must be doing cartwheels and the dirty Sanchez on a truly surprising or complicated play.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

While at times this may be correct, I don't believe this is one.

A play as simple and strightforward as the OP should be handled in standard fashion. If you have to deviate for a play like that you must be doing cartwheels and the dirty Sanchez on a truly surprising or complicated play.

The bar they go to at the beginning of the movie Dodgeball is called "The Dirty Sanchez." Priceless.

[danreeves1973]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

While at times this may be correct, I don't believe this is one.

A play as simple and strightforward as the OP should be handled in standard fashion. If you have to deviate for a play like that you must be doing cartwheels and the dirty Sanchez on a truly surprising or complicated play.

Any thoughts on what sit. the Donkey Punch would be more appropriate than the Dirty Sanchez?

[buckeyetc71]

I don't have my NFHS Umpire Manual with me but I believe in the two man mechanics section this IS a rotation situation for FED. PU rotates to third for possible play and BU watches tag, ensures R2 is going to third and, in case of bad throw to third, rotates to home for possible play there.
If someone has the manual handy please correct me if I'm wrong.

[mbyron]

I don't know anyone who uses the FED manual for anything other than a coaster.

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by buckeyetc71

I don't have my NFHS Umpire Manual with me but I believe in the two man mechanics section this IS a rotation situation for FED. PU rotates to third for possible play and BU watches tag, ensures R2 is going to third and, in case of bad throw to third, rotates to home for possible play there.
If someone has the manual handy please correct me if I'm wrong.

I don't know how much these manuals change, hence, I asked the question. I have a manual from 2001-2002, and it says:

(p 44) PU...5. Call Safe/Out on R1 advancing after a caught fly ball, except a fly down the right-field line....

(p 45) BU...Move to line up the tag of R1 advancing to third after a caught fly ball; PU had the play at third...If PU has gone down the right-field line to rule catch/no catch or foul/fair, you must take R1 into third base.

I didn't know if the mechanic changed or if that mechanic isn't used.

mbyron-

lol...I guess that's why I have such an old manual

-Josh

[Rich]

Originally Posted by buckeyetc71

I don't have my NFHS Umpire Manual with me but I believe in the two man mechanics section this IS a rotation situation for FED. PU rotates to third for possible play and BU watches tag, ensures R2 is going to third and, in case of bad throw to third, rotates to home for possible play there.
If someone has the manual handy please correct me if I'm wrong.

I would, except mine hits the trash the second it arrives (as soon as I verify they still expect the PU to take third on a bases-empty triple when the BU doesn't go out.)

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by buckeyetc71

I don't have my NFHS Umpire Manual with me but I believe in the two man mechanics section this IS a rotation situation for FED. PU rotates to third for possible play and BU watches tag, ensures R2 is going to third and, in case of bad throw to third, rotates to home for possible play there.
If someone has the manual handy please correct me if I'm wrong.

What's a FED manual? We were never issued them nor mailed them. We used CCA and pro mechanics only. We always had a good laugh over the FED rule book's signal chart too.

[DG]

Originally Posted by buckeyetc71

I don't have my NFHS Umpire Manual with me but I believe in the two man mechanics section this IS a rotation situation for FED. PU rotates to third for possible play and BU watches tag, ensures R2 is going to third and, in case of bad throw to third, rotates to home for possible play there.

FED manual also tells PU to watch "runner on 2B", R1 in the manual (sigh), touch 3b and be prepared to cover a play on him advancing to the plate or a play on him returning to 3B.

I don't throw it in the trash when I get it, but I don't pay it any attention until a question like this is asked.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by DG

FED manual also tells PU to watch "runner on 2B", R1 in the manual (sigh), touch 3b and be prepared to cover a play on him advancing to the plate or a play on him returning to 3B.

I don't throw it in the trash when I get it, but I don't pay it any attention until a question like this is asked.

Oh, another reason I toss it. When they name runners normally (R1 is never on anything but first base) I may give it a second glance.

We work college/pro mechanics in HS games (those umpires around here that simply don't run into the outfield as base umpires on every fly ball, that is).

[Fritz]

since we're talking 2-man mechanics, here is another question that regularly gets debated among the crew around my area:

R3, 2 outs; BU sets up in B not C to anticipate the next play on the infield which will generally be at 1B for the 3rd out. But that is not shown on most mechanics diagrams I've seen.

or,

R1 & R3, less than 2 outs; BU sets up in B not C to be in a better position to call a double play attempt AND because most high school and below ball has 1st/3rd gimmick plays with the SS taking a short throw from the catcher where BU's C position is. Again, most mechanics diagrams put BU in C in this sitch.

What do you normally do and why?

[DG]

The original sitch was a fly ball in the V on 3b side with R2 only. BU has it all. Rich changed the sitch and I agree, in the changed sitch. As PU read the play and adjust. But for a normal fly ball in the V, BU has it all