Bob Jenkins at the Plate

[LakeErieUmp]

I don't know that there's ever a problem going out so long as well tell our partner loudly enough on the way.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Tee,

I think you made the right decision, as there was potential trouble with the banner.

The only negative is that you stayed out, when it would have looked sharp to hustle back in foul ground towards home, but that's a helluva lot of running for an old fat guy!

[LakeErieUmp]

By the way - "fat, old guys" never concern me. Fat young do however.

[RPatrino]

Whew, I'm safe then.

[David B]

Tee

NOt bad at all. Looks like it was a trouble ball, you have two other umpires who can handle everything else, you went out and made certain.

IMO, that's "good" umpiring, not bad.

When in doubt, we always tell our guys go out. There are always more problems in games when the umpire does NOT go out than with the umpire going out and making certain.

Thanks
David

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by RPatrino

Whew, I'm safe then.

Same here!

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

Same here!

I'm alright then too, I guess!

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by msavakinas

no it wouldnt've... this was 3-man. Once you are out you are out. In 2-man you can circle back but not 3 or more.

I know the mechanic, as I have worked many 3 and 4 man games over the many years I umpired.

I actually misread what Tee said:

"Again, I WISH I had given a “SAFE” sign when the ball bounced off the fence and came back to the fielder."

I misread it as Tee wishing he had came back into the field. It was a Senior Moment. Early onset of Mad Cow .

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Chris_Hickman

I think that Tim is trying to justify why he went out rather than saying "Hey.. I misread the play". His evaluator was right to question his act. If I told my D2 evaluator... hey...3 umps..1 runner..why wouldnt I go out?? My evaluator would laugh in my face. I dont think that this thread would have gotten over 60 hits if Tim would have just said.. "I had my head up my a$$ on that one..ha ha sorry guys". Now it didnt really hurt anything by going out on that play I guess but part of "moving up" is play recognition. I work quite a bit of three man and once in a while I get a brain fart and muck up a read. But I never make up any excuses. If you dont work alot of 3 man... it can be a nightmare. I think this post has run out its course. If UES wants to give us his 3 man experience..thats his deal. But after reading his post, it sounds like he does have a "clue".

Why would the evaluator laugh in your face? Because that particular line of reasoning isn't on his little "checklist?"

I guess we'll agree to disagree, then. U1 is more useful going out there than watching a touch of first. The plate umpire can easily do that.

How could he have "mucked up a read?" It was a GROUND ball. There was nothing, really, to read there.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by msavakinas

It does look like you went out awful quickly on said play now that I have actually looked at it. I would not have but it looks like you are going out right away and not turning around. More like you had it set in motion.

Also, IF you went out on that and did not go out on play starting at 1:56, which it looks like you didn't due to fact PU was at third, which he normally wouldn't be if nobody was on and you went out, there is something wrong with your judgement. But I couldn't see you, I just assumed what you did based on the other umpires reactions.

Did I see you go out when you started in the baselines? That is frowned upon in this area big time...

They work NCAA mechanics in Oregon. That is allowed, actually expected.

[Tim C]

"Also, IF you went out on that and did not go out on play starting at 1:56, "

I was out on the play when the RF lost the ball in the sun @ 1:56 I am just not in frame.

In fact I stayed out until we recognized the F9 was not seriously injured on the play.

Regards,

[Tim C]

Chris, I don't have to justify anything to anyone.

Someone asked "why did you go out?" and I answered how my thinking went.

I will now leave the thread: some think I did alright some think I am a hack.

That is the gamble anyone takes that posts a video of a game where they worked.

BTW: The Pac-10 evaluator at the game had no problem that I went out.

Regards,

[RPatrino]

UES, I happen to believe that Tim made the correct choice in going out on that trouble ball. We may have to agree to disagree. You do what you need to do to advance in your area, I will do what I need to do in mine. Best of luck to you and take care.

[canadaump6]

Props to Tee for posting a video of himself in action and accepting comments and questions regarding his performance.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

Let me correct you because you are in error! Tim (and many of us) treat people exactly as they ask to be treated! Consider yourself! You come barreling into several posts attacking Tim C. as if you had a vendetta to settle. You raise the ire of other posters who know Tim from years of posting. If you knew anything about this board, the first thing we do is toughen a newbie up so they can handle their knowledge on the field. Whimps don't make it in this business, neither do wise a$$es. Disagree with us to learn is great. Attack a veteran and you will not last! It's been proven time and time again. And if someone is in need of help from a poster, let him or her ask themselves. We do not need a "caped crusader" to ride to everyone's rescue. Try to remember that!

I travel almost full time for business (somehow I've still found the time to do 45 games this year, which is amazing considering the miles I've flown). I've been to Portland a few times and Tim and I have eaten dinner and had drinks together. I watched him work the plate on a playoff game last season (or was it two years ago?). I was even a guest at his association banquet. I consider him a friend.

But we've disagreed in the past and we aren't shy about disagreeing. This time, I don't disagree. He knew what he was going to do on a ball down the line before it was hit. He went. I've pregamed this with my partners in the past. It's no big deal.

I respect those who do disagree civilly, but UES can go pound sand. He's just a troll. Probably one of those that has been banned here before.