Mets/Yankees

[David B]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

I think sometimes this is where "asking for help" isn't always better and doesn't always help you "get it right" if Davidson didn't know for sure...they should've stuck with the call on the field...he obviously didn't know for sure because he got it wrong and U3 was probably 200 feet closer to the call with no other responsibilities.

Exactly. I've watched too many games lately and its really gotten bad in HS ball where coaches almost expect you to ask for help.

In a recent playoff game, coach wanted me to ask for help on a pulled foot and I'm in U1. On top of that throw is high and pulls F3 toward RF which means PU couldn't see it anyway because he pulls his foot away from him.

As I move to U2 coach goes to PU and asks him to make a call. PU and I had talked about it before the game so he tells coach its my call and ends discussion, but how many times do we see umpires getting together and then making the "wrong" call.

Sure it might be a tough call, but in the Mets game, Reilly had it right to start with.

I can't remember who says it best, but sometimes we just have to umpire!

Thanks
David

[johnnyg08]

I've told a coach before when he's asked me to ask for help at the FED level on a swipe tag play at the plate...coach, I'm 100% sure I got the call right...my partner is 100 feet away from me watching other stuff, there's no way he had a better angle than me. I'm not asking him. (we were only 2 man)...I agree with you...sometimes we just have to umpire. we know our mechanics, many coaches do not. if your partner does not have the angle, or a better angle, don't ask...it's just going to cause more problems...

[johnnyg08]

that being said, there is a time where asking for help can be a good thing.

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Yes, there is a right time to ask. Pulled foot is one of the easy ones if he's pulled into the infield so the PU can see it. I had one last year where my partner's position did not allow him to see a catcher drop the ball and immediatly pick it back up. So when he asked the catcher to show him the ball, the catcher showed it and he call the runner out. Right call from his angle, but I had seen the loose ball and so had the third base coach. He asked me, and I told him it was the PU's call. He then asked the PU to talk me. I told him what I saw and he reversed his call. We got the right call because he wasn't afraid to look bad by asking or having to reverse his call. Sometimes it is just plain wrong to ask, though, as mentioned in the previous post.

[johnnyg08]

he should've been unsure...his guy was 200' feet closer to the call than he was.

[socalblue1]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

he should've been unsure...his guy was 200' feet closer to the call than he was.

Yankee Stadium is very difficult for base umpires on balls down the foul line by the pole. The way the stadium is built the background can be very difficult for a BU down the line. PU often has a better view and does not lose the ball in flight.