accidental appeal or out?

[Gmoore]

2 outs.
bases loaded
3-2 on the batter
BR swings and misses a curve in the dirt
F2 blocks the pitch nicely but forgets he has a force at home
F2 steps and throws wildly to first to get the BR AND steps on home with his natural stride before the ball leaves his hands.
Ball goes into the RF corner and the mary-go-round begins.


call?

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by Gmoore

2 outs.
bases loaded
3-2 on the batter
BR swings and misses a curve in the dirt
F2 blocks the pitch nicely but forgets he has a force at home
F2 steps and throws wildly to first to get the BR AND steps on home with his natural stride before the ball leaves his hands.
Ball goes into the RF corner and the mary-go-round begins.


call?

Third out, let's change sides.........................


Tim.

[Gmoore]

Do you think the catcher was stepping on home to retire the runner from third?


From NFHS interp.

With regard to base running, Rule 8-4-2j is an extension of Rule 8-4-2. This rule change stipulates that there shall not be any accidental appeals on a force play, in order to be definitive in all aspects of the appeal process

[waltjp]

Be loud and clear - "Out!"

[greymule]

With regard to base running, Rule 8-4-2j is an extension of Rule 8-4-2. This rule change stipulates that there shall not be any accidental appeals on a force play, in order to be definitive in all aspects of the appeal process

"Not be any accidental appeals" applies only to missed bases, not regular play. In regular play, a fielder could still, obviously without intent, happen to touch a base to which the runner is forced. The runner is out, intent/accident or not.

In fact, there never was an accidental appeal. It was actually an accidental force play (or out at 1B before the BR arrives).

[TussAgee11]

Originally Posted by greymule

With regard to base running, Rule 8-4-2j is an extension of Rule 8-4-2. This rule change stipulates that there shall not be any accidental appeals on a force play, in order to be definitive in all aspects of the appeal process

"Not be any accidental appeals" applies only to missed bases, not regular play. In regular play, a fielder could still, obviously without intent, happen to touch a base to which the runner is forced. The runner is out, intent/accident or not.

In fact, there never was an accidental appeal. It was actually an accidental force play (or out at 1B before the BR arrives).

Bingo. A D3K is not an appeal play.

[ozzy6900]

I agree with BigUmp56 and Waltjp. It's an out, let's move on without any further ado.

[soundedlikeastrike]

I had a cute one years ago, maybe U12 or 13 rec FP. Bases juiced, 2 outs, batter hit's one straight down, it blast's straight up off the plate, 10 maybe 12 feet. F2 standing on the plate, catches the caroom, clearly fair. I signal fair and a very clear out, while pointing at the nearing R3. F2 panics and throws one to RF. As you say, the show begins. Once the dust settles and I get em convinced 3 are out. O Coach, comes out pleading, nearly in tears. "Why is she out". Coach there was a force on at HP, F2 clearly was standing on HP with the ball in hand, that's an out".

"But, but, she didn't mean too"..

No stipulation's on a force, ball in possesion, touch of a base or plate, out.

[canadaump6]

It doesn't sound like an appeal to me. Runner never left early, runner never missed a base, and it wasn't a check swing.