Question from a basketball ref

[Emperor Ump]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

When did the jump stop become 'not travelling', and why?

What about carrying the ball, I remember when players dribbled the ball from the top. Now it seems like most of the players catch the dribble from the bottom and carry the ball turning it 180 degrees before sending it back down.

I've lost all interest in the NBA, haven't watched more than 5 minuets since David Robinson retired. Now I'll watch my 'Heels play all day long. I love NCAA basketball it almost seems like a different sport from the NBA.

[SAump]

Not only a step to 2B places the runner in jeopardy of being tagged out. A B/R who advances to 1B succesfully, and then returns to the home plate side of 1B can be tagged out. So, a B/R who slides into 1B and stands up on the home plate side of 1B w/out remaining in contact w/base can be tagged out. NCAA 8-5-j-AR3.

[Fritz]

Originally Posted by SAump

Not only a step to 2B places the runner in jeopardy of being tagged out. A B/R who advances to 1B succesfully, and then returns to the home plate side of 1B can be tagged out. So, a B/R who slides into 1B and stands up on the home plate side of 1B w/out remaining in contact w/base can be tagged out. NCAA 8-5-j-AR3.

Ditto for any BR awarded 1B from a walk. If the jog past the bag, they may be tagged out.

[TussAgee11]

Fritz... only under some rule codes can a batter be called out for over running 1st on a walk.

I've never spoken to anyone who has actually seen it happen anyways...

[aceholleran]

Originally Posted by Fritz

Ditto for any BR awarded 1B from a walk. If the jog past the bag, they may be tagged out.

Er, I don't think so, Fritz.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Fritz

Ditto for any BR awarded 1B from a walk. If the jog past the bag, they may be tagged out.

True in FED, false in OBR.

[Rufus]

I really appreciate this discussion. For coaching my players I teach them to run through the bag and break down to the right before they look for an overthrow. That way there is less possibility for an umpire to judge that they are making a move to 2b. If there is an overthrow they can still advance and, if it's not thrown far enough away, their motion will naturally take them to the bag after the break down.

Have you all seen this in your games (regardless of FED, NCAA, or OBR)? Do you see any potential problems in teaching this method of overrun, breakdown, and return to base?

[johnnyg08]

personally, i think it's over coaching to a point...if your runners aren't making a legit attempt to second base...the direction that you have to turn only perpetuates the myth...because there's nothing that says your runner has to turn a certain way after over running 1B.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Rufus

Have you all seen this in your games (regardless of FED, NCAA, or OBR)? Do you see any potential problems in teaching this method of overrun, breakdown, and return to base?

Try a coaching forum for this kind of question.