Basketball Rule Question

[silencecannotbe]

The age-old "hand part of ball"

I understand for both NBA and NCAA men's basketball, the rule is that "Contact which occurs on the hand of the offensive player, while that hand is in contact with the ball, is legal."

Two questions:

1) Does this rule apply when someone is shooting?

2) If it does apply, what if the shooter is blocked from behind by the defender pushing the back of his hand to move the ball?

Thanks much

[Adam]

Originally Posted by silencecannotbe

The age-old "hand part of ball"

I understand for both NBA and NCAA men's basketball, the rule is that "Contact which occurs on the hand of the offensive player, while that hand is in contact with the ball, is legal."

Two questions:

1) Does this rule apply when someone is shooting?

2) If it does apply, what if the shooter is blocked from behind by the defender pushing the back of his hand to move the ball?

Thanks much

1. Yes.
2. Yes. Why would it matter where the blocker is standing?

[BktBallRef]

1) Legal

2) Legal

[silencecannotbe]

How about contact with the shooter's hand after the ball is released?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by silencecannotbe

How about contact with the shooter's hand after the ball is released?

Usually that's incidental contact, which isn't a foul.

[Johnny Ringo]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Usually that's incidental contact, which isn't a foul.

Incidental contact?

A1 attempts a shot and is still an airborne shooter ... B1 is attempting to block the try and makes contact with hand/arm and you don't call that?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

Incidental contact?

A1 attempts a shot and is still an airborne shooter ... B1 is attempting to block the try and makes contact with hand/arm and you don't call that?

If the contact doesn't put the shooter at a disadvantage, then it is not a foul.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

Incidental contact?

A1 attempts a shot and is still an airborne shooter ... B1 is attempting to block the try and makes contact with hand/arm and you don't call that?

The question that I was responding to was referring to contact on the hand AFTER the ball had been released. No, I do not call that. It's incidental contact imo. The contact doesn't place anyone at a disadvantage.

If you are referring to contact BEFORE the ball is released, if it's on the arm and affects the shot, I call the foul. If it's on the hand, I don't call the foul. Why, you say? Well, because that's exactly how the rules state that it should be called.

Read rule 10-6-1--"He/she shall not contact an opponent with his/her hand unless such contact is only with the opponent's hand while it is on the ball and is incidental to an attempt to play the ball".

Please note that applies to contact with a dribbler's hand while it is on the ball too.

Clear now?

[Adam]

An airborne shooter isn't protected from "contact." He's protected from being knocked down.

[Johnny Ringo]

So, if the airborne shooter is "contacted" in anyway, after the ball is released, other than being knocked to the floor - it is a no call?

Did not know that one.

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

So, if the airborne shooter is "contacted" in anyway, after the ball is released, other than being knocked to the floor - it is a no call?

Did not know that one.

You still don't.

If the contact doesn't hinder or disadvantage the shooter it is incidental, just like any other foul/no-call situation.

If the contact knocks the shooter on their butt, that's easy.

But the shooter doesn't need to go down for there to be a foul, contact that severely hinders their landing or puts them at a disadvantage to rebound may also be a foul.

It's why we get paid the big bucks.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

So, if the airborne shooter is "contacted" in anyway, after the ball is released, other than being knocked to the floor - it is a no call?

Did not know that one.

I'm still getting better at advantage/disadvantage. I think I've made some real strides since reading this forum and working hard on it. I made little "rules" for myself that helped me with when to call.

My "rule" for contact after the shot was pretty simple - if the contact didn't hinder the landing or the shooter's pursuit of the rebound, I didn't call it. However, if the shooter gets knocked off balance - even if it's just contact with the hand after the shot that pulls him a bit to the side - then I'm going to call it, whether he lands on his feet or not.

It's worked pretty well for me (though the screaming from the bench when someone's hand gets hit afterwards is pretty funny) as I continue to improve my ability to judge each case individually.

[Johnny Ringo]

jdw3018 ... I like your thought here. To stay within the rules this is too how I will call this from now on!

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

jdw3018 ... I like your thought here. To stay within the rules this is too how I will call this from now on!

You slipped in the "arm" on Jurrasic when the discussion was initially about contact on the hand. Now you found someone who has a theory you like so you agree with it. Yep, got it.

[Johnny Ringo]

Did not mean to slip in the arm. And I was not trying to being negative towards Jurassic or anyone else in the other posts. I just like the way jdw said it. Heck, I think NevadaRef is the best on here and he too was telling me something.

I just always was under the understanding that any contact with the shooter after the ball was gone and before they came back to the floor was a foul. I guess there is a line that has to be crossed.

Don't put words into my sentences Tomegun