Church vs State

[lawump]

Originally Posted by lawump

No but I graduated in the top 2%.

Brown vs. Board of Education was 5 consolidated cases...Briggs vs. Elliot was the first and the one that started it all. It was the oldest case.

The Supreme decided to list Brown vs. Board of Education first...but Briggs vs. Elliot was FIRST. That is where the NCAAP drew their first line in the sand.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Briggs_v._Elliott

And, oh yeah, my thesis was on Brown vs. Board of Education and how it has failed.

And if you don't believe that is what the NAACP considers their first case...then your wrong. I went to the NAACP rally at the South Carolina state house on MLK day a few weeks ago...and the NAACP President recognized South Carolina as being where desegration became the law of the land.

[lawump]

In re-reading my first post...I realize that I just said "Brown vs. Board of Education"...and yes, that case, did independently arise in Topeka, KS. However, when saying "Brown vs. Board of Education" I was refering solely to the US S.Ct. opinion...which was an opinion issued in five cases...the first of which began in South Carolina.

[GarthB]

This reminds of a bill I got from my attorney. I was involved in a suit with some contractors recently. We had both the law (they had not filed a "mechanics intent to lien" at the beginning of the job and then failed to file their suit within the 90 days of last appearing on the job as allowed by Washington law) and facts (they disappeared from the job without finishing it having pretty much "labored it out") on our side.

The contractors attorney, after receiving our response to their complaint, advised them to drop the suit, which they did.

Our attorney contacted me by phone with the news and gave me the total of what we owed him. I hand delivered the check.

A week later, the attorney sent me a letter suggesting that we close the file on a potential countersuit we discussed. I agreed and told him so via mail. Shortly after, I received an invoice from the attorney for $35.50. The service listed was "writing client a letter recommending closure of file."

I'm now wondering if I'll get another invoice for the time spent in sending me an invoice?

[lawump]

Your not-so-witty sarcasm and story aside...you are beginning to strike me as the type of guy who would be the first to use the above historical "trivia" I have provided at some gathering in some vain attempt to impress your friends.

Either that, or judging by the contents of your last post, you have simply devolved and resorted to the lowest common denominator of attacking the messenger despite the messenger having cogently explained his original message.

I certainly hope neither is true as either would be sad (and beneath you) as I have, usually, in the past, enjoyed your posts.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by lawump

Your not-so-witty sarcasm and story aside...you are beginning to strike me as the type of guy who would be the first to use the above historical "trivia" I have provided at some gathering in some vain attempt to impress your friends.

Either that, or judging by the contents of your last post, you have simply devolved and resorted to the lowest common denominator of attacking the messenger despite the messenger having cogently explained his original message.

I certainly hope neither is true as either would be sad (and beneath you) as I have, usually, in the past, enjoyed your posts.

WTF??? As my favorite sergeant would say...."lighten up, Francis."

I would have thought an attorney with your years of experience would be able to handle my story, which is absolutley true and void of any sarcasm, with a bit of humor. (In fact, I recieved the last invoice I referenced just four days ago. I'd be happy to scan it and forward a copy.)

Having a bad day? Surely you've heard far worse stories about members of your profession. I've heard far worse about members of my profession. Hell, you can't pick up a paper or watch CNN with seeing another teacher screwing a student.

I, too, have enjoyed and agreed with the vast majority of your posts, but this rather dour one surpises me.

As for using your trivia...no, it wouldn't be meaningful to most of those I know. To non-attorneys, Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka Kansas will always refer to the board of education in Topeka, Kansas regardless of how many cases were combined. That's why your initial post of Brown v Board of education being a South Carolina suit surprised several here.

A piece of triva my friends would find more interesting is that the colony of Georgia was first inhabited by indentured servants who British businessman conviced King George to release from debtors prison so that they could work off their debts. King George argeed that keeping them in prison would do little to get the businessman their money and just happened to a piece of land in mind.

[lawump]

Originally Posted by GarthB

WTF??? As my favorite sergeant would say...."lighten up, Francis."

I would have thought an attorney with your years of experience would be able to handle my story, which is absolutley true and void of any sarcasm, with a bit of humor. (In fact, I recieved the last invoice I referenced just four days ago. I'd be happy to scan it and forward a copy.)

Having a bad day?

Actually, no. Today was the first day I got on the field (although not as an umpire (that has to wait 7 more days)), but rather as a father playing catch with his son before his son tried out for LL baseball (minors division).

I apologize if I mistook the tone and meaning of your story as being an attack "on the messenger (me)"...and completely missed the humor. Please except my sincere apology.

I too find both Georgia's and colonial American history fascinating. I actually had John Hancock's great-great-great....granddaughter as a childhood classmate. (I'm not originally from SC as you might guess). As for my family, my great-great-great...pepere fought in the French and Indian War: against George Washington"s troops. He was the only one of 4 brothers to survive. Fascinating stuff.

There...now I've given you some of my family trivia, too.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by lawump

Today was the first day I got on the field (although not as an umpire (that has to wait 7 more days)), but rather as a father playing catch with his son before his son tried out for LL baseball (minors division).

Enjoy these days. They are special.

I remember when my sons were very young, people would tell me how fast time would fly and how soon they would be grown. I remember, also, thinking, "yeah, right." The here and now seemed to last forever then. And then, it was gone...suddenly and without warning.

My proudest achievement as a dad is that I have no regrets of wishing I had spent more time with my boys. My wife and I put watching and helping them grow above all else for 21 years.

Now, I have more memories than I have time to remember, and they are still creating more. My older son will see one of his compositions recorded later this year by Billy Hart and his combo, and my younger son will be umpiring in the Northwest League this coming season. I'll be watching baseball while listneing to my IPod.

[Tim C]

For a more detailed look at the Brentwood case you might want to read this article by my friend Lee Green.

http://www.nfhs.org/web/2007/08/frid...ne_on_fir.aspx

Regards,

[lawump]

Originally Posted by Tim C

For a more detailed look at the Brentwood case you might want to read this article by my friend Lee Green.

http://www.nfhs.org/web/2007/08/frid...ne_on_fir.aspx

Regards,

Great article. I find, from my own experience, in my own state, that many (at my state's High School League Office) are quick to remember the ultimate outcome (that Brentwood's first amendment rights/due process rights were not violated), but seem to conveniently forget that this case conclusive determined that they are now state actors.

This issue has flared up in our state, as our state league banned one school from post-season football and another from post-season basketball for various reasons. The school banned from football was the defending state champions. (As an aside: they ended up playing their regular season and went undefeated and could not go to the playoffs).

Anyways, the state league made a lot of decisions behind closed doors, and one or both schools sued (I can't remember which)...alleging due process violations. Specifically, that they were banned without a public hearing.

Publicly, high school league officials continued (and continue to this day) to state that "it is not a state agency". But amazingly, in both cases they have relented and allowed an open public hearing (of league board members) on whether the schools should be banned. In otherwords, board members were forced to vote in public on the issue.