2008 HOF Ballot

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by canadaump6

I don't care how many Major League games he did. I read two of his books, and could list hundreds of idiotic things he admitted to doing as an umpire. To be associated with him is embarassing, so I don't understand why you are defending him.

Let's see, Luciano: 11 years MLB umpire, three ALC series, two All Star games, one world series.

Cantump6: whines that he doesn't get good games and just bought his first fitted umpire hat.

Yep. You're in position to critique Luciano, all right.

[justanotherblue]

Originally Posted by canadaump6

A play on words. Cheeky, and a$$. Good one! I'm sure Steven Tyler would be proud.



First of all, the correct term to use is mother. Have some respect. As for the soap thing, we're in the 21st century. Studies have proven that corporal punishment is an ineffective way to solve problems.



What does disrespecting Ron Luciano have to do with one's childhood? I don't care how many Major League games he did. I read two of his books, and could list hundreds of idiotic things he admitted to doing as an umpire. To be associated with him is embarassing, so I don't understand why you are defending him.

That's the problem with you brats... I know my dad's belt straightened my a$$ up real quick. Same with moms soap. Doesn't work, no it worked very well. It taught me to respect those older than me. Something you need to learn.

[DG]

Originally Posted by justanotherblue

That's the problem with you brats... I know my dad's belt straightened my a$$ up real quick. Same with moms soap. Doesn't work, no it worked very well. It taught me to respect those older than me. Something you need to learn.

Soap in the mouth. That's funny discipline.

[umpduck11]

Originally Posted by justanotherblue

That's the problem with you brats... I know my dad's belt straightened my a$$ up real quick. Same with moms soap. Doesn't work, no it worked very well. It taught me to respect those older than me. Something you need to learn.

"Spare the rod, spoil the child". That philosophy worked wonders in our house.

[justanotherblue]

Originally Posted by DG

Soap in the mouth. That's funny discipline.

Yeah, well let me tell ya, I NEVER said another cuss word anywhere within hearing distance of my mom for 10 years after.


Sure, spoil the child ruin the man

[canadaump6]

I do not have the experience of Ron Luciano. I have never eaten hotdogs while on the bases, called a balk because a fan said "that's a balk", distracted baserunners so that they get picked off, talked to batters simply to annoy them, shown up runners when I call them out, or any of the other insane things he did. Luciano forgot to wear his uniform for his first MLB game. It sounds like he's got some supporters here, but from what I've read about this guy, I probably wouldn't allow him to do machine pitch games if I was an assignor.

As for soap in the mouth and use of the cane, words can go a lot farther than the use of physical force. Studies have shown that using inductive methods of discipline is the most effective way to reinforce desired behaviours in children. Just because one or two people report physical punishment as being effective in dealing with aversive behaviour does not mean it is effective for the majority of the human population. Diana Baumrind's research on parenting styles shows that authoritarian parenting is associated with a number of negative outcomes in children. Committed complaince is much more effective than situational complaince in promoting the internalization of values needed to regulate behaviour.

Taken from "Child Psychology". Authors: Vasta, Miller, Ellis, Younger, Gosselin. Copyright 2006.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by canadaump6

I do not have the experience of Ron Luciano. I have never eaten hotdogs while on the bases, called a balk because a fan said "that's a balk", distracted baserunners so that they get picked off, talked to batters simply to annoy them, shown up runners when I call them out, or any of the other insane things he did. Luciano forgot to wear his uniform for his first MLB game. It sounds like he's got some supporters here, but from what I've read about this guy, I probably wouldn't allow him to do machine pitch games if I was an assignor.

As for soap in the mouth and use of the cane, words can go a lot farther than the use of physical force. Studies have shown that using inductive methods of discipline is the most effective way to reinforce desired behaviours in children. Just because one or two people report physical punishment as being effective in dealing with aversive behaviour does not mean it is effective for the majority of the human population. Diana Baumrind's research on parenting styles shows that authoritarian parenting is associated with a number of negative outcomes in children. Committed complaince is much more effective than situational complaince in promoting the internalization of values needed to regulate behaviour.

Taken from "Child Psychology". Authors: Vasta, Miller, Ellis, Younger, Gosselin. Copyright 2006.

My how you prattle.

First of all, in the interest of accuracy the title is Child Psychology, Canadian Edition.

Second, we underline book titles; we do not place them in quotes. Check with your English teacher father.

Third: "The problem with labelling all physical discipline as 'corporal punishment' is that it becomes too easy to dismiss those times, particularly when a child places his life or that of others in jeopardy, when some form of physical discipline may be appropriate. Scott Miller, University of Florida, co-author Child Psychology, Canadian Edition.

[JR12]

Brady Anderson-he went from speedy Punch and Judy hitter to 50 HR's. Plus he had 4% body fat and his impressive physique was on posters and magazines everwhere. I wonder if he was on roids?

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

He's not on the list considering he was elected to the HOF in 2004.

Brain fart on my part..

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by canadaump6

A play on words. Cheeky, and a$$. Good one! I'm sure Steven Tyler would be proud.

Not intended as a play on words. Cheeky means being a little smart as$ to an elder. You made it a play on words, and let's leave Tyler out of this.

Originally Posted by canadaump6

First of all, the correct term to use is mother. Have some respect. As for the soap thing, we're in the 21st century. Studies have proven that corporal punishment is an ineffective way to solve problems.

Mommy. I'll stick with that in your case. Studies show...so what? The Bible (which I know you don't believe in, but it's a pretty good resource for child-rearing), say's to discipline your children through corporal punishment. So the new-aged, psycho-babble that so-called child experts came up with doesn't change the fact that whoopin' a child's behind works very well, as does the soap/mouth deal. I take it that you were not disciplined in this fashion. It shows. You probably got "time-outs." Sheesh.

Originally Posted by canadaump6

What does disrespecting Ron Luciano have to do with one's childhood? I don't care how many Major League games he did. I read two of his books, and could list hundreds of idiotic things he admitted to doing as an umpire. To be associated with him is embarassing, so I don't understand why you are defending him.

This just indicates that you are a fool. It goes directly to your upbringing, or lack thereof really, that you even dare to disrespect Ron Luciano, or any other older adult. Not to mention speaking ill of the dead. You were not raised, you were jerked up, as they say.

I read all 4 of Luciano's books. I didn't see anything "idiotic" about anything he did. Zany, kookie? Perhaps. Off-the-wall, nutty? Yes! Idiotic? No, not idiotic. Besides, you did not say that he did idiotic things, you called him an idiot. Pot, meet Kettle.

I'm defending Ron Luciano's memory from the likes of you, who have no respect for his accomplishments, because he is not around to defend himself.

[canadaump6]

You know it's pretty ironic that you lecture me on respect after you ignorantly dismiss the study of Psychology, refer to my mother by the wrong title, and name yourself after a Major League umpire at the other forum.

Dead or alive, Luciano did some things that are an embarrassment to umpires today. He had plenty of opportunity to defend himself during his feuds with the great Earl Weaver. Whether he's dead or alive does not change the fact that he was terrible as an umpire. From reading two of his books, I struggle to recall him mentioning anything positive about himself as an umpire. Now I do understand that he worked at a time when umpires were a part of the show like the players, but that still doesn't excuse the unprofessional things he did IMO.

Sorry Steve but that's just my opinion. You have yours, I have mine.

By the way, I love justanotherblue's signature:

What did you say, I can't see you

I love the old "you're on my ignore list trick" because it's an admission of defeat.

[kylejt]

[QUOTE=SanDiegoSteve]Off-the-wall, nutty? Yes! Idiotic? No, not idiotic. QUOTE]

I dunno.

If you are U1, drop to one knee, pull out your six-guns and shoot someone out in a Little League game you will branded for life an idiot.

And if you're like me, and blow the smoke of the ends of the barrels before reholstering your .45s, you just don't care. How about "colorful"?

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by canadaump6

You know it's pretty ironic that you lecture me on respect after you ignorantly dismiss the study of Psychology, refer to my mother by the wrong title, and name yourself after a Major League umpire at the other forum.

Hey look sonny boy, get a few things straight:

I don't ignorantly dismiss the study of psychology, just your use of it in your example. Just because it is written about in books does not make it true. To say that corporal punishment is not effective is false, so don't presume that I am ignorant about anything. That is far from the truth.

I don't give a crap what you think about what I used to describe what you probably call your mother. When you were a little boy, did you call her "mother?" I doubt it, unless you're one of those pansy boys that wear short pants and knee socks to school. I was not aware that you didn't like "mommy." That is a common way little boys refer to their mothers, and you haven't grown up as of yet, so I figured that's what you call her. My bad.

And listen up chump, I did not name myself after anyone. I was given the nickname of "Augie Donatelli" by my long-time assignor who has pimples on his a$$ that are older than you, so I earned that nickname. He gave it to me out of respect after seeing me umpire. He recognized that I was a no-nonsense, take charge type of umpire, in the tradition of August Donatelli, who also took no crap off anyone. In fact, most people in the association called me Augie, and some of the newer ones thought that it was my name until told differently. I didn't name myself anything.

I have tremendous respect for the memory of Donatelli, unlike you, who have no respect for Ron Luciano's fine career, which you could only dream of having.

Dead or alive, Luciano did some things that are an embarrassment to umpires today. He had plenty of opportunity to defend himself during his feuds with the great Earl Weaver.

I don't know of one single umpire who feels embarrassed by anything Ron Luciano did. And what is so great about Earl Weaver? He was a friggin' manager! A rat. A c*ck s*cker. The bane of all AL umpires. You sound more like a rat than an umpire. Which is it, boy? And what do you mean "defend himself?" WTF is that supposed to mean? Earl would act up, Ron would toss him. That's baseball. It is part of baseball's charm. The Luciano/Weaver stories are priceless, funny episodes. Didn't you enjoy reading about them? I suppose you took Weaver's side, huh? Rodent.

Whether he's dead or alive does not change the fact that he was terrible as an umpire. From reading two of his books, I struggle to recall him mentioning anything positive about himself as an umpire. Now I do understand that he worked at a time when umpires were a part of the show like the players, but that still doesn't excuse the unprofessional things he did IMO.

Yeah, I remember reading how he dropped trou at the backstop and put his jock on outside his underwear in front of a group of little girls. No, wait a minute...that was you!

You are in way over your head battling with me, sonny britches.

[dash_riprock]

When it comes to opinions about umpires, the only ones I care about are those of their partners. I recall some who didn't particularly care for some of Ron's antics on the field, but none said he was a bad umpire. Quite the contrary.

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

...my long-time assignor who has pimples on his a$$ that are older than you...

Now they got to be some funky pimples!

[justanotherblue]

Appoligize for Earl Weaver arguments... LMAO... now that's funny