2008 HOF Ballot

[dash_riprock]

Knoblauch also struck out almost as often as he walked.

[waltjp]

Originally Posted by canadaump6

Taken from the Official MLB stats page:

Knoblauch had a career on base percentage of .378. Batting average is way over-rated. A hit is more beneficial than a walk only when there is a runner in scoring position.

Guess you're not counting extra-base hits.

[waltjp]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

Knoblauch also struck out almost as often as he walked.

Chuck Knoblauch

Career Hits - 1839
Career K's - 730

Roughly 2 1/2 hits per strikeout

[kylejt]

Originally Posted by Publius

Damn, kyle, if none of those guys belong, you need to go to Cooperstown and destroy about 20 plaques.

20 would be a minimum, plus I'd boot all the umpires. Safe, out, ball, strike. Throw in some rules and good knees. Big deal. How about the guy who runs the scoreboard at Wrigley, or the lady who plays the organ too? Scully? Yes. Bill Klem? I don't think so.

I did like seeing the uniform Gina Davis wore in "A League of Their Own" at the Hall though. Jocko Conlan's beanie did nothing for me.

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by canadaump6

Taken from the Official MLB stats page:

Knoblauch had a career on base percentage of .378. Batting average is way over-rated. A hit is more beneficial than a walk only when there is a runner in scoring position.

Not even close to being in the top 100. And that's all you can say about him? He doesn't belong on this list. Jason Giambi has a higher OBP.

[DonInKansas]

Originally Posted by waltjp

Chuck Knoblauch

Career Hits - 1839
Career K's - 730

Roughly 2 1/2 hits per strikeout

He said walk, not hit.

[waltjp]

Originally Posted by DonInKansas

He said walk, not hit.

Yup. Ya got me.

[JJ]

Shawon Dunston? Who nominates these guys - their mothers?

JJ

[Arnold A.]

• Jim Rice -If he doesn't get in, none of the following should
• Brady Anderson -Hell no
• Harold Baines -No
• Rod Beck -No
• Bert Blyleven -No
• Dave Concepcion -No
• Andre Dawson -Yes
• Shawon Dunston -No
• Chuck Finley -No
• Travis Fryman -No
• Rich Gossage -Yes
• Tommy John -Yes
• David Justice -No
• Chuck Knoblauch -No
• Don Mattingly -No
• Mark McGwire -No
• Jack Morris -Yes
• Dale Murphy -No
• Robb Nen -No
• Dave Parker -No
• Tim Raines -No
• Jose Rijo -No
• Lee Smith -No
• Todd Stottlemyre -No
• Alan Trammell -No

[Publius]

Relievers are eligible for my HOF; I just can't find one I'd vote for. What they contribute relative to position players and starting pitchers isn't HOF worthy. If a guy spends his career as a DH, I'd never vote for him, either.

Now, Steve, I know you're going to disagree, but your claim that teams wouldn't have gotten to the playoffs is sheer speculation. It can't be proven or disproven. True in some cases, not in others. I'd be more impressed with saves if the rule granting one weren't so liberal. Two outs, last inning. Reliever comes in with a three-run lead and a runner on first. He gives up a two-run shot, then a double before the next guy flies out to the warning track. Save. Joke.

How many saves are granted to closers after set-up guys and middle relievers do the heavy lifting? R1, R2, no outs. Set-up guy strikes out two batters, then closer comes in, walks a batter and retires the next one. Save. Joke.

The save is the most overrated stat in baseball. I'm curious as to how many would be granted under a different condition: you don't get one unless you enter the game with the tying run in scoring position (not on deck). If a guy chalked up 300 of THOSE in a career, I'd vote to put him in the HOF.

[umpduck11]

Tawny Kitaen belongs in the Hall before Chuck Finley. After all, look at all the hits she got on him.........

[kylejt]

Originally Posted by Publius

...you don't get one unless you enter the game with the tying run in scoring position (not on deck).

Hey, Trevor Hoffman nearly always puts the tying run on base. Does that count?

[SanDiegoSteve]

I guess the lesson learned here is that a bunch of umpires who post on the internet is not the best group from which to base who should go into the Hall.

[DonInKansas]

Originally Posted by JJ

Shawon Dunston? Who nominates these guys - their mothers?

JJ

Everyone is eligible after 5 years out of the game.

[Publius]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

I guess the lesson learned here is that a bunch of umpires who post on the internet is not the best group from which to base who should go into the Hall.

No doubt. Particularly the ones who seem to have but a single criterion:

"Did you take steroids? You didn't? OK, you're in."