Mitchell Report?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

There's a difference between showing contrition for a wrongful act and showing the same for being caught for committing that wrongful act. I don't believe Vick is remorseful in the least for committing the crime. He's a POS who had millions of dollars in his coffers, and chose to exploit and torture innocent animals for profit and entertainment.


Tim.

Whether he did show remorse or not is not the issue and who really cares. He got the sentence he got, he will be out in a certain time in good behavior and when he comes out I will be interested in watching his games. Guess what, the dogs are still dead and dogs are not human beings and this is why many people on the day of his sentence wore his jersey and gave him support. Not everyone cares about dogs above the actions human beings do to other human beings.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.



Peace

[Mike L]

Yet another example of a coddled individual allowed to skate by on all sorts of behavior due to athletic prowess finally stepping over the line. Vick committed a crime, admitted to it, and is now serving his sentence. Why anyone would make excuses for him or expect he should be let off, yet again, is completely beyond me. But that's one of the things that makes this country great. Anyone can say any completely stupid thing they want and think it makes sense.

[Mike L]

Regarding the Mitchell report. Why does it seem everyone keeps trying to place these actions under the criminal system of beyond a reasonable doubt? This is nothing more than an employee/employer situation (admittedly magnified because of the public nature of the business). Any actions taken by one or the other that is not criminal will be settled in the civil court. And there, it is the proof of what is most likely, not what is beyond a reasonable doubt.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Mike L

Regarding the Mitchell report. Why does it seem everyone keeps trying to place these actions under the criminal system of beyond a reasonable doubt? This is nothing more than an employee/employer situation (admittedly magnified because of the public nature of the business). Any actions taken by one or the other that is not criminal will be settled in the civil court. And there, it is the proof of what is most likely, not what is beyond a reasonable doubt.

Let me give you an example of why I have a problem with this report. David Justice was accused of using steroids because he had a conversation with someone associated with a club he was on. No paper trail, no eyewitness reports, just a conversation that he had years ago about the drug which even did not suggest that Justice claimed he was using or used the drugs previously.

I keep bring it back to officiating. Would it be fair if you worked a conferences and someone took a conversation you had years ago and assumed that you helped throw a game all based on a conversation? Then as a result you are known as a cheater by everyone because your name was put in a report with people they actually proved or admitted to throwing games? I put this on the same plane as NBA Officials being mentioned in a report about throwing games with Tim Donaghy based only on information that they had a conversation with Donaghy or were accused by Donaghy without any cooperation and then the accused official also loses their job or their reputation.

Would that be fair?

Peace

[Mike L]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Let me give you an example of why I have a problem with this report. David Justice was accused of using steroids because he had a conversation with someone associated with a club he was on. No paper trail, no eyewitness reports, just a conversation that he had years ago about the drug which even did not suggest that Justice claimed he was using or used the drugs previously.

I keep bring it back to officiating. Would it be fair if you worked a conferences and someone took a conversation you had years ago and assumed that you helped throw a game all based on a conversation? Then as a result you are known as a cheater by everyone because your name was put in a report with people they actually proved or admitted to throwing games? I put this on the same plane as NBA Officials being mentioned in a report about throwing games with Tim Donaghy based only on information that they had a conversation with Donaghy or were accused by Donaghy without any cooperation and then the accused official also loses their job or their reputation.

Would that be fair?

Peace

Are you trying to say the Mitchell report has accused Justice of being a steroid user on the "evidence" of only having a conversation with someone that did not involve the use of steroids? Really!

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Mike L

Are you trying to say the Mitchell report has accused Justice of being a steroid user on the "evidence" of only having a conversation with someone that did not involve the use of steroids? Really!

According to Justice and many other reports he was only shown to have a conversation with a person associated with a club. He was not the only one implicated like that but I do not remember those individuals because they were marginal players.

Also the report implicated people who wrote checks to clubhouse attendance which is a common practice in MLB because player paid them to run all kinds of errands for the players. For example they might have them run to the store or have their car fixed or do any number of things because the players are usually busy at the ball park. I am sure many of these guys are guilty, but MLB was having rumblings over steroids just like football did back in the 80s when Canseco and McGuire were on the A's and I did not see the ground swell back then for drug testing. The NFL started drug testing soon after Lyle Alzado (sp??) was going around claiming he was dying because of long time steroid use. And I am sure there were many more than 1% of players using as well.

Peace

[SAump]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am sure many of these guys are guilty, but MLB was having rumblings over steroids just like football did back in the 80s when Canseco and McGuire were on the A's and I did not see the ground swell back then for drug testing. The NFL started drug testing soon after Lyle Alzado (sp??) was going around claiming he was dying because of long time steroid use. And I am sure there were many more than 1% of players using as well. Peace

I witness two young men grow substantially bigger in high school (1980-82). Both young men went on to play small time college football. Reportedly, one later became a "body guard/bouncer" and was gunned down in Atlanta by one of those Mac-10s/oizies (Sp?) before their ban and 15 round ammo clips were reduced to 10. Reportedly, gang execution. Funny nothing has changed very seriously about the death of young black men at the hands of young black men. But a few F&^k*)G pitt bulls die at the hands of a black man and America is in an uproar!

1985 to 2005, MLB did nothing about steroids. The leading cause of death for black teenagers wasn't steroids. I predict it will continue for at least another 5 years until folks in the NFL, NBA, and MLB finally bring attention to the minority genocide taking place. Will see if the recent death of a football star will have any impact.

RIP #21.

[jimpiano]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Let me give you an example of why I have a problem with this report. David Justice was accused of using steroids because he had a conversation with someone associated with a club he was on. No paper trail, no eyewitness reports, just a conversation that he had years ago about the drug which even did not suggest that Justice claimed he was using or used the drugs previously.

I keep bring it back to officiating. Would it be fair if you worked a conferences and someone took a conversation you had years ago and assumed that you helped throw a game all based on a conversation? Then as a result you are known as a cheater by everyone because your name was put in a report with people they actually proved or admitted to throwing games? I put this on the same plane as NBA Officials being mentioned in a report about throwing games with Tim Donaghy based only on information that they had a conversation with Donaghy or were accused by Donaghy without any cooperation and then the accused official also loses their job or their reputation.

Would that be fair?

Peace

The Mitchell Report is not based on any conversation....it is based on verifiable conversations. It is not legal evidence, but it is dependable evidence on what players talked about and did.

[SAump]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Let me give you an example of why I have a problem with this report. David Justice was accused of using steroids because he had a conversation with someone associated with a club he was on. No paper trail, no eyewitness reports, just a conversation that he had years ago about the drug which even did not suggest that Justice claimed he was using or used the drugs previously.

I keep bring it back to officiating. Would it be fair if you worked a conferences and someone took a conversation you had years ago and assumed that you helped throw a game all based on a conversation? Then as a result you are known as a cheater by everyone because your name was put in a report with people they actually proved or admitted to throwing games? I put this on the same plane as NBA Officials being mentioned in a report about throwing games with Tim Donaghy based only on information that they had a conversation with Donaghy or were accused by Donaghy without any cooperation and then the accused official also loses their job or their reputation.

Would that be fair?

Peace

Spurs/Suns play tonight. I'll watch for cheaters.

[MichaelVA2000]

Originally Posted by SAump

Spurs/Suns play tonight. I'll watch for cheaters.

Hope you didn't get overwhelmed.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Borrowed from an Atlanta Braves fansite:

First, you put your innocent plea in.
Now you've taken your innocent plea out.
You hadn't told the truth.
In fact, you shook it all about.

You'll be a Hokie in the Pokey 'til you turn yourself around.
That's what it's all about.


Remember when you put your middle finger in; Then you stuck your middle finger out?
Flipped off the Falcon fans
'Cuz you couldn't take their shouts.

You'll be a Hokie in the Pokey 'til you turn yourself around.
That's what it's all about.


When you put your baggage in
You left your "water" bottle out.
Something seemed suspicious
So the authorities called you out.

You'll be a Hokie in the Pokey 'til you turn yourself around.
That's what it's all about.


She said you put your bad self in,
And spread herpes all about.
Called yourself "Ron Mexico"
To provide some "reasonable doubt".

You'll be a Hokie in the Pokey 'til you turn yourself around.
That's what it's all about.


Your little brother was in.
Then lil' bro was out.
Then lil' bro was back in.
Til even the Hokies threw him out.

You'll be a Hokie in the Pokey 'til you turn yourself around.
That's what it's all about.


You let the dogs in
But wouldn't let the dogs out.
You made them fight each other
'Til one of them passed out.

You'll be a Hokie in the Pokey 'til you turn yourself around.
That's what it's all about.


Nike put its money in.
Now Nike's takin' its money out.
Don't like your electrocuting pups
Or shaking them all about.

You'll be a Hokie in the Pokey 'til you turn yourself around.
That's what it's all about.


Your friends took your money in.
They passed your money out.
They said they had your back.
Until you lost your clout.

You'll be a Hokie in the Pokey 'til you turn yourself around.
That's what it's all about.


You took millions of dollars in.
You gave thousands of dollars out.
You're still Tech's poster child
Though you never graduated out.

You'll be a Hokie in the Pokey 'til you turn yourself around.
That's what it's all about.


The NFL, you were in.
But the NFL may kick you out.
You threw it all away.
And, for what, I can't figure out.

You'll be a Hokie in the Pokey 'til you turn yourself around.
That's what it's all about.


You had it ALL in;
But it's nearly ALL out.
You had the golden life
And you pissed all of it out.

You'll be a Hokie in the Pokey 'til you turn yourself around.
That's what it's all about.

Do the Hokie in the Pokey.
Do the Hokie in the Pokey.
Do the Hokie in the Pokey.
And THAT'S what it's all about.

[jimpiano]

Michael Vick will never play a down again in the NFL.
By the time he is released 1350 new NFL players will have been drafted with credentials equal or better than his.

Moreover, 10-20 quarterbacks for Atlanta will have gotten more reps than he has in cleaning toilets in cell bock 13.

And the CFl is not an option since convicted felons cannot travel across international borders.

[greymule]

SAump's recent post prompted me to supply this link to U.S. Department of Justice statistics on "Criminal Victimization in the United States," broken down by a wide number of categories, including race. The web page has links to files containing statistics from 1996 to 2005, and many of the figures are truly astounding. In reading some of the charts, I have had to pause in disbelief and look at the figures several times to be sure I'm reading them properly.

The statistical tables report only on crimes that had human victims.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/cvusst.htm

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Whether he did show remorse or not is not the issue and who really cares. He got the sentence he got, he will be out in a certain time in good behavior and when he comes out I will be interested in watching his games. Guess what, the dogs are still dead and dogs are not human beings and this is why many people on the day of his sentence wore his jersey and gave him support. Not everyone cares about dogs above the actions human beings do to other human beings.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.



Peace

So, in your mind it's acceptable to torture domestic animals. Wow......


Tim.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

So, in your mind it's acceptable to torture domestic animals. Wow......


Tim.

Yeah that is what I said. Do not let reading get in the way of a good story.

Then again, people actually read what people say here?

Peace