Mitchell Report?

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I did not realize you actually had a conversation with Vick to know what he though. And if you would leave your state, you might realize that everyone does not look at this as a major societal concern. Secondly the maximum sentence for most crimes almost never happens for a first or even second time offender. He also plea bargained which is what both sides usually want. The prosecution gets a conviction and the defense gets a much lesser sentence if they were normally convicted by a trial. And even if someone is convicted during a trial, people do not always get the maximum sentences. Not unless you are a convicted of the mandatory minimums that are associated with many drug crimes.

You know something, I have a very thorough knowledge of the way the judicial system works. I've slept in a Holiday Inn Express or two in my day.

Go outside my state? WTF does my living in California have to do with anything? Do you think we live in a damn bubble here or something. I've lived all over the U.S. at one time or other, including your state. Besides, we have dog fighting and c*ck fighting here in sunny California as well. They are not regional activities, but are practiced by a few morally depraved individuals in every state. And I live about 20 miles from Mexico, and I know you know that they have those things there as well.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Steve, I recently had my mother's dog run away from my house when I was dog sitting. My Mom’s dog was not registered in my area and I had to play a pretty big amount of money for her being gone less than 24 hours. If I did not even contact animal control, they would have put my mother's dog to sleep. I do not know about you, but that sounds pretty cruel to me. And that is a practice that so-called dog lovers like you seems to accept. Now if you do not like my values that is your problem. I am a Christian, but I do not question the values of other Christian faiths because they are not like my own.

Euthenizing dogs and brutally killing them because they didn't fight well enough for your liking are two very different things. I think it is horrible if your state puts dogs and cats to sleep after only 24 hours. In my state they give the owners a couple weeks, and even then try to find homes through Adopt-A-Pet. They dont' just excecute animals willy-nilly.

It also just dawned on me: You were "dog sitting," and the one thing you were responsible for ran away? Remind me not to ever let you babysit my nieces and nephews!

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Then again, you have better values.

Your sarcasm aside, I agree with most of what you said.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

You know something, I have a very thorough knowledge of the way the judicial system works. I've slept in a Holiday Inn Express or two in my day.

Go outside my state? WTF does my living in California have to do with anything? Do you think we live in a damn bubble here or something. I've lived all over the U.S. at one time or other, including your state. Besides, we have dog fighting and c*ck fighting here in sunny California as well. They are not regional activities, but are practiced by a few morally depraved individuals in every state. And I live about 20 miles from Mexico, and I know you know that they have those things there as well.

I have been to California a few times and it is a very different place than other parts of the country. And I was in San Diego for most of one summer. I will leave it at that.

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Euthenizing dogs and brutally killing them because they didn't fight well enough for your liking are two very different things. I think it is horrible if your state puts dogs and cats to sleep after only 24 hours. In my state they give the owners a couple weeks, and even then try to find homes through Adopt-A-Pet. They dont' just excecute animals willy-nilly.

Killing animals is killing animals no matter how you do it. And if one form of killing is supposed to be of higher value than I disagree with that statement. And it was not until a few years ago that this was even a crime. We are not going to agree with this no matter how you slice it.

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

It also just dawned on me: You were "dog sitting," and the one thing you were responsible for ran away? Remind me not to ever let you babysit my nieces and nephews!

Here is another example of how you do not understand values of others. I understand how and why you feel the way you do, I just do not hold that same value. I have to walk my dog. I do not have to walk a child. You put a dog outside. You do not put a child outside. Children either use the bathroom or have a diaper. Dogs go to bathroom outside. I know that is a hard concept for you to understand by the dog got away. If you had a dog you would know that this is not an uncommon occurrence. At least it is in areas where dogs are not accessories. I think you have been in California too long.

Peace

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I have been to California a few times and it is a very different place than other parts of the country. And I was in San Diego for most of one summer. I will leave it at that.

And I said I've lived around the country, including a stint in Illinois. Totally irrelevant to the conversation.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Killing animals is killing animals no matter how you do it. And if one form of killing is supposed to be of higher value than I disagree with that statement. And it was not until a few years ago that this was even a crime. We are not going to agree with this no matter how you slice it.

You are right. We won't agree. I already explained the difference between legal hunting and the unnecessary slaughter of domesticated animals. If you don't know the difference...

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Here is another example of how you do not understand values of others. I understand how and why you feel the way you do, I just do not hold that same value. I have to walk my dog. I do not have to walk a child. You put a dog outside. You do not put a child outside. Children either use the bathroom or have a diaper. Dogs go to bathroom outside. I know that is a hard concept for you to understand by the dog got away. If you had a dog you would know that this is not an uncommon occurrence. At least it is in areas where dogs are not accessories. I think you have been in California too long.

Are you really as obtuse as you sound here? My God man, you assume a great deal. I have been a dog owner since I was born. Over the years I have had many dogs, including a Pit Bull/Lab mix (black and white) named Brutus who I loved dearly. I just found it ironic that you lost the dog while dog sitting. That's funny. (I'm LMAO).

To say that I don't understand other people's values is a ridiculous statement. I just don't agree with yours. I don't really give a rat's a$$ about you or your values, but I do understand other people's values. Again, there's a difference between understanding and not giving a sh*t.

I have always owned dogs, and currently have two. Since I have been married (16+ years this time), I have had 5 including the two current dogs. I have an 11 year old Husky/St. Bernard mix who unfortunately has had a skin condition since she was about a year old. I love her more than life itself. I have a black Golden Retriever who is 8 years old. She is my baby. I love my dogs like they were actual children (I also have a 29 year old daughter). They are our children. I don't put my dogs outside. I would sooner put a child outside. My dogs are much better behaved than most children. My dogs go outside to go to the park, the beach, or to the bathroom. The rest of the time they are inside where they belong, as part of the family.

My dogs are not accessories, and this ain't Beverly Hills. I live in a fairly rural area, complete with pickup trucks, gun racks, and Hell's Angels. I'm sure that there is dog fighting within 5 miles of my house.

I can't believe you think the way you do. Dogs as accessories, puleeeeze.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Again, there's a difference between understanding and not giving a sh*t.

I have long advocated that we combine the words "empathetic" and "apathetic" to form "emapathetic", meaning, "I know how you feel, but I don't give a sh!t."

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

And I said I've lived around the country, including a stint in Illinois. Totally irrelevant to the conversation.

I think where you live are very much an issue. I crew up in rural Illinois where there were corn fields and farming all over the place. I now live in a suburb of Chicago and the people and their values are very different from where I grew up. People around here do not hunt; they even mock other parts of the state because they feel the people in other parts are not as sophisticated as they are because they are "in the city." People around here act like they go into another world if it is outside of the Chicago area. So yes, it is very relevant to where you are and the type of values (and yes a value of how you treat animals is included).

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Are you really as obtuse as you sound here? My God man, you assume a great deal. I have been a dog owner since I was born. Over the years I have had many dogs, including a Pit Bull/Lab mix (black and white) named Brutus who I loved dearly. I just found it ironic that you lost the dog while dog sitting. That's funny. (I'm LMAO).

It is obvious you did not grow up in the same area I did, it was common to have dogs running around where I grew up and not on a leash when people walked their dogs. It was also common to have the neighbors dogs running in and out of my yard and that we would know all the dogs and who they belonged to. Dogs in the community got away all the time because they were allowed to be outside and when I first got my dog back in 1991, she got away several times because she liked being outside and she would run away even if you opened the door trying to keep her inside. It was not the first time that happened it just took place in a different town. She loves running around and chasing rabbits or any other animal she gets around. She just does not move as fast now.

Also since you mentioned you had a Pit Bull, that breed was considered to be banned in Cook County after several attacks by those dogs on children and adults which resulted in death. The remedy for the outlawing of these dogs was killing them if people did not find a place for them. So it was OK to kill an entire breed because they would have been illegal, but Dog fighting is so inhumane? Then again that would probably be OK with you. I see killing as killing, I do not care how you do it. If one is OK, the other should be OK.

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

To say that I don't understand other people's values is a ridiculous statement. I just don't agree with yours. I don't really give a rat's a$$ about you or your values, but I do understand other people's values. Again, there's a difference between understanding and not giving a sh*t.

I have always owned dogs, and currently have two. Since I have been married (16+ years this time), I have had 5 including the two current dogs. I have an 11 year old Husky/St. Bernard mix who unfortunately has had a skin condition since she was about a year old. I love her more than life itself. I have a black Golden Retriever who is 8 years old. She is my baby. I love my dogs like they were actual children (I also have a 29 year old daughter). They are our children. I don't put my dogs outside. I would sooner put a child outside. My dogs are much better behaved than most children. My dogs go outside to go to the park, the beach, or to the bathroom. The rest of the time they are inside where they belong, as part of the family.

The reason I say this is because you act like everyone is outraged about this as you are. They are not. And I have said that I do not see dog fighting as a major deal and in many cultures dogs are not held in such high regard. My parents are from the south and I could not have a dog anytime before I left HS because they did not value animals the way many do. And my grandmother that had a dog would not let that dog in her house and she lived in Florida.

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

My dogs are not accessories, and this ain't Beverly Hills. I live in a fairly rural area, complete with pickup trucks, gun racks, and Hell's Angels. I'm sure that there is dog fighting within 5 miles of my house.

I can't believe you think the way you do. Dogs as accessories, puleeeeze.

Of course you do not. Because I have seen people take dogs and put them in little bags and carry them around in the Chicago area. And one of the people that made that practice popular is someone seen on TV and they live in California. And if some of those same people were asked to help human beings in other parts of the country or world they would rather carry a dog around then give a dollar to someone that is homeless. There was a woman who left millions of dollars to her dog, not to a charity or to another human being that could have used the money or added to her legacy. I find that action a little out of whack. Sorry you think it is normal.

Peace