Mitchell Report?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

If you're bored, don't bother to comment.

I am only restating what has been widely reported. Mike Vick showed no remorse for his actions. This is a matter of record, not something I made up.

Steve I am willing to accept your opinion, but come on now. It is a matter of record or it is a matter of your opinion? Unless you talked to him personally, I think that is based on your opinion. I do not know what record you are referencing, but I saw the apology live and he seemed pretty remorseful to me. Then again I was not outraged with the act of dog fighting and he did not have to apologize to me.

Peace

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Steve I am willing to accept your opinion, but come on now. It is a matter of record or it is a matter of your opinion? Unless you talked to him personally, I think that is based on your opinion. I do not know what record you are referencing, but I saw the apology live and he seemed pretty remorseful to me. Then again I was not outraged with the act of dog fighting and he did not have to apologize to me.

Peace

Yes, he apologized. After he realized he was screwed!!!

For the longest time he maintained total innocence and even up until his "apology" he showed no remorse and acted like it was no big deal.

I know I can't legislate morality, but to not be outraged with dog fighting, or the killing of said dogs, speaks volumes about your values. I know that it is none of my business what you think or feel, but I do wonder what Jesus would think about your lack of disgust. Hmmmm.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Hey, how 'bout that Mitchell Report, huh? Man what a gas!

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Yes, he apologized. After he realized he was screwed!!!

For the longest time he maintained total innocence and even up until his "apology" he showed no remorse and acted like it was no big deal.

I know I can't legislate morality, but to not be outraged with dog fighting, or the killing of said dogs, speaks volumes about your values. I know that it is none of my business what you think or feel, but I do wonder what Jesus would think about your lack of disgust. Hmmmm.

With all due respect people that are potentially being accused of crimes do not go around telling the world they are sorry if they are willing to go to court. And neither you nor I were around him to know what kind of remorse he showed. If it was I, I would have fought to the end over such a silly thing. I have seen many athletes or public figures commit worse acts and you do not see the outrage over those acts but be involved in dog fighting and the sky is going to fall.

And if I recall Jesus did not talk about dog fighting as a sin or address specifically the many ways we treat animals as it relates to hunting, cock fighting, dog fighting, horse racing or any number of activities that involve animals. I do not expect you to deal with the hypocrisy that I pointed out. Dog fighting is bad, hunting is OK. That makes sense.

Peace

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I saw the apology live and he seemed pretty remorseful to me. Then again I was not outraged with the act of dog fighting and he did not have to apologize to me.

Peace

There's a difference between showing contrition for a wrongful act and showing the same for being caught for committing that wrongful act. I don't believe Vick is remorseful in the least for committing the crime. He's a POS who had millions of dollars in his coffers, and chose to exploit and torture innocent animals for profit and entertainment.


Tim.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

There's a difference between showing contrition for a wrongful act and showing the same for being caught for committing that wrongful act. I don't believe Vick is remorseful in the least for committing the crime. He's a POS who had millions of dollars in his coffers, and chose to exploit and torture innocent animals for profit and entertainment.


Tim.

Whether he did show remorse or not is not the issue and who really cares. He got the sentence he got, he will be out in a certain time in good behavior and when he comes out I will be interested in watching his games. Guess what, the dogs are still dead and dogs are not human beings and this is why many people on the day of his sentence wore his jersey and gave him support. Not everyone cares about dogs above the actions human beings do to other human beings.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.



Peace

[Mike L]

Yet another example of a coddled individual allowed to skate by on all sorts of behavior due to athletic prowess finally stepping over the line. Vick committed a crime, admitted to it, and is now serving his sentence. Why anyone would make excuses for him or expect he should be let off, yet again, is completely beyond me. But that's one of the things that makes this country great. Anyone can say any completely stupid thing they want and think it makes sense.

[Mike L]

Regarding the Mitchell report. Why does it seem everyone keeps trying to place these actions under the criminal system of beyond a reasonable doubt? This is nothing more than an employee/employer situation (admittedly magnified because of the public nature of the business). Any actions taken by one or the other that is not criminal will be settled in the civil court. And there, it is the proof of what is most likely, not what is beyond a reasonable doubt.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Mike L

Regarding the Mitchell report. Why does it seem everyone keeps trying to place these actions under the criminal system of beyond a reasonable doubt? This is nothing more than an employee/employer situation (admittedly magnified because of the public nature of the business). Any actions taken by one or the other that is not criminal will be settled in the civil court. And there, it is the proof of what is most likely, not what is beyond a reasonable doubt.

Let me give you an example of why I have a problem with this report. David Justice was accused of using steroids because he had a conversation with someone associated with a club he was on. No paper trail, no eyewitness reports, just a conversation that he had years ago about the drug which even did not suggest that Justice claimed he was using or used the drugs previously.

I keep bring it back to officiating. Would it be fair if you worked a conferences and someone took a conversation you had years ago and assumed that you helped throw a game all based on a conversation? Then as a result you are known as a cheater by everyone because your name was put in a report with people they actually proved or admitted to throwing games? I put this on the same plane as NBA Officials being mentioned in a report about throwing games with Tim Donaghy based only on information that they had a conversation with Donaghy or were accused by Donaghy without any cooperation and then the accused official also loses their job or their reputation.

Would that be fair?

Peace

[Mike L]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Let me give you an example of why I have a problem with this report. David Justice was accused of using steroids because he had a conversation with someone associated with a club he was on. No paper trail, no eyewitness reports, just a conversation that he had years ago about the drug which even did not suggest that Justice claimed he was using or used the drugs previously.

I keep bring it back to officiating. Would it be fair if you worked a conferences and someone took a conversation you had years ago and assumed that you helped throw a game all based on a conversation? Then as a result you are known as a cheater by everyone because your name was put in a report with people they actually proved or admitted to throwing games? I put this on the same plane as NBA Officials being mentioned in a report about throwing games with Tim Donaghy based only on information that they had a conversation with Donaghy or were accused by Donaghy without any cooperation and then the accused official also loses their job or their reputation.

Would that be fair?

Peace

Are you trying to say the Mitchell report has accused Justice of being a steroid user on the "evidence" of only having a conversation with someone that did not involve the use of steroids? Really!

[jimpiano]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Let me give you an example of why I have a problem with this report. David Justice was accused of using steroids because he had a conversation with someone associated with a club he was on. No paper trail, no eyewitness reports, just a conversation that he had years ago about the drug which even did not suggest that Justice claimed he was using or used the drugs previously.

I keep bring it back to officiating. Would it be fair if you worked a conferences and someone took a conversation you had years ago and assumed that you helped throw a game all based on a conversation? Then as a result you are known as a cheater by everyone because your name was put in a report with people they actually proved or admitted to throwing games? I put this on the same plane as NBA Officials being mentioned in a report about throwing games with Tim Donaghy based only on information that they had a conversation with Donaghy or were accused by Donaghy without any cooperation and then the accused official also loses their job or their reputation.

Would that be fair?

Peace

The Mitchell Report is not based on any conversation....it is based on verifiable conversations. It is not legal evidence, but it is dependable evidence on what players talked about and did.

[SAump]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Let me give you an example of why I have a problem with this report. David Justice was accused of using steroids because he had a conversation with someone associated with a club he was on. No paper trail, no eyewitness reports, just a conversation that he had years ago about the drug which even did not suggest that Justice claimed he was using or used the drugs previously.

I keep bring it back to officiating. Would it be fair if you worked a conferences and someone took a conversation you had years ago and assumed that you helped throw a game all based on a conversation? Then as a result you are known as a cheater by everyone because your name was put in a report with people they actually proved or admitted to throwing games? I put this on the same plane as NBA Officials being mentioned in a report about throwing games with Tim Donaghy based only on information that they had a conversation with Donaghy or were accused by Donaghy without any cooperation and then the accused official also loses their job or their reputation.

Would that be fair?

Peace

Spurs/Suns play tonight. I'll watch for cheaters.

[jimpiano]

Michael Vick will never play a down again in the NFL.
By the time he is released 1350 new NFL players will have been drafted with credentials equal or better than his.

Moreover, 10-20 quarterbacks for Atlanta will have gotten more reps than he has in cleaning toilets in cell bock 13.

And the CFl is not an option since convicted felons cannot travel across international borders.

[greymule]

SAump's recent post prompted me to supply this link to U.S. Department of Justice statistics on "Criminal Victimization in the United States," broken down by a wide number of categories, including race. The web page has links to files containing statistics from 1996 to 2005, and many of the figures are truly astounding. In reading some of the charts, I have had to pause in disbelief and look at the figures several times to be sure I'm reading them properly.

The statistical tables report only on crimes that had human victims.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/cvusst.htm

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Whether he did show remorse or not is not the issue and who really cares. He got the sentence he got, he will be out in a certain time in good behavior and when he comes out I will be interested in watching his games. Guess what, the dogs are still dead and dogs are not human beings and this is why many people on the day of his sentence wore his jersey and gave him support. Not everyone cares about dogs above the actions human beings do to other human beings.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.



Peace

So, in your mind it's acceptable to torture domestic animals. Wow......


Tim.