Need a rule referance and ruling, I can't find one.

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by Bulldog

OBR 6.10(b)
In this scenario, the DH enters the game and replaces the 3rd baseman on defense but is still locked in the batting rotation. The pitcher will assume the batting position of the defensive player.

The DH is hitting in the pitcher's slot. You cannot enter the pitcher in another position in the batting order. I believe the question being asked is what if the team cannot field a line up of nine batters?

[bobbybanaduck]

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler

The DH is hitting in the pitcher's slot. You cannot enter the pitcher in another position in the batting order. I believe the question being asked is what if the team cannot field a line up of nine batters?

incorrect. while the game pitcher may only pinch hit for the DH, he can and must enter the batting order if the DH enters the game defensively. in the original sitch, when the 3rd baseman gets dumped, the manager must enter the DH defensively at 3B (keeping him in his spot in the batting order), which then forces the pitcher to bat in the spot vacated by the ejected 3B.

6.10(b) paragraph 5

The Designated Hitter may be used defensively, continuing to bat in the same opsition in the batting order, but the pitcher must then bat in the place of the substituted defensive player...

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by bobbybanaduck

incorrect. while the game pitcher may only pinch hit for the DH, he can and must enter the batting order if the DH enters the game defensively. in the original sitch, when the 3rd baseman gets dumped, the manager must enter the DH defensively at 3B (keeping him in his spot in the batting order), which then forces the pitcher to bat in the spot vacated by the ejected 3B.

6.10(b) paragraph 5

The Designated Hitter may be used defensively, continuing to bat in the same position in the batting order, but the pitcher must then bat in the place of the substituted defensive player...

Exactly. Not in the spot of the player who was ejected, unless the DH was ejected. Using the DH is like having ten starters in the batting order for all abject purposes, only two starters bat in the same spot.

[bobbybanaduck]

what?

[bobbybanaduck]

the game pitcher may only pinch hit for the DH. agreed. but, now that the 3Bman has been dumped, the DH enters the game defensively at 3B. there is no more DH. it's now a 9 man lineup, former DH at 3B batting wherever he was batting, P now hits in the spot vacated by the 3Bman that was dumped. the pitcher isn't pinch hitting for the DH, he has entered the game offensively as a direct result of the DH entering the game defensively.

[3appleshigh]

Thanks guys, but does it matter that we are not in a Defensive postion? I.E. the third baseman was ejected as an offensive player. I think this is where my issues lie. But I do agree with what has been discussed so far. Thanks a lot.

[bobbybanaduck]

Originally Posted by 3appleshigh

Thanks guys, but does it matter that we are not in a Defensive postion? I.E. the third baseman was ejected as an offensive player. I think this is where my issues lie. But I do agree with what has been discussed so far. Thanks a lot.

no. the lineup is the lineup.

[RPatrino]

This isn't really that difficult to figure out. There are nine batting slots in the lineup. The ejection of the 3b caused a 'vacancy' in that slot, leaving 8 batting positions. There is only one player currently NOT in the batting order, that would be P, who is eligible to enter that slot. Because the pitcher entered the lineup the DH must play defensively, and there is only one open defensive spot, 3b.

[bossman72]

in FED ball, we have a forfeit since the DH and batter are locked into position, correct? im hazy and havent looked at my fed book for quite a while

[Steven Tyler]

The key word is ejected, not substituted. I would have to believe this wouldn't be allowed as the rule is written. In MLB, you cannot do the double switch with players in the line up. Take for example. Last batter of the seventh is called out on strikes, argues and gets thrown out of the game. The manager wants to bring in a reliever and put him in the spot that player got ejected and put a position player in the pitcher's spot so he won't have to waste a pitcher or a pinch hitter. It is not allowed. You must substitute only for the player who is ejected.

A substitute for an ejection is totally different than an a substitution for a player.