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Old Mon Sep 17, 2007, 08:52am
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Wow!

Rich noted:

"If you don't have an ego, I don't want to work with you."

I could not agree more!

I want my partner to want to fight me for the dish, be self-assured to the max, and not allow any sign of weakness.

"Big Umpires Make Big Calls In Big Games!"

Pete noted:

"If you are "out for yourself" and have an EGO I am glad you would not want to work with me."

I am "out for myself" everytime I enter the field. I know that if I do my job, get my calls and have a great pre-game the umpire crew will be successful.

Give me too much ego over a "Sally" anytime.



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Old Mon Sep 17, 2007, 10:39am
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Pete:

There is a difference between umpires with a solid, secure ego and those who are egotistical.

I've worked with both

Like Tee, I want a partner with a healthy ego.

Like you, I don't want a partner who inappropriately displays that ego.
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Old Mon Sep 17, 2007, 11:10am
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What Garth said.

Why do guys find the need to fight over the stick? Nearly all my partners and I resolve the position debate by flipping a coin in the dressing room. We respect each other and each other's ability without having to have some junior-high-like bravado show.

Nearly all the guys I know who display the "I'm the man, and the plate is MINE!" attitude in the dressing room are miserable pr!cks outside it. More than one of them has a FUBAR strike zone to boot.
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Old Mon Sep 17, 2007, 01:03pm
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Go ahead....

work with a guy that is (or guys that are) push-overs. You most-likely will find yourself in a game that is tortuous and burdening.

You will have to cover your partners posterior repeatedly or face an unfair judgement of your game management skills.

Best to have a competent, self-assured individual that is unwavering and intrepid. Games will be much more smooth.
Mind you....self assuredness and competence can be misconstrued as ego, especially if the rat has a big one and is set to make the excuse of blaming game officials for his short-comings as coach or manager.

Of course, that never happens.

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Old Mon Sep 17, 2007, 01:18pm
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work with a guy that is (or guys that are) push-overs. You most-likely will find yourself in a game that is tortuous and burdening.

You will have to cover your partners posterior repeatedly or face an unfair judgement of your game management skills.

Best to have a competent, self-assured individual that is unwavering and intrepid. Games will be much more smooth.
Mind you....self assuredness and competence can be misconstrued as ego, especially if the rat has a big one and is set to make the excuse of blaming game officials for his short-comings as coach or manager.

Of course, that never happens.

My $.02
Sheeesh. Nobody argued that an umpire that can be walked over is desirable.

There is something between an overbearing pompous egocentric umpire and a dress wearing namby-pamby. Why do you guys have to argue in the extremes?
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Old Tue Sep 18, 2007, 02:26pm
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Sheeesh. Nobody argued that an umpire that can be walked over is desirable.

There is something between an overbearing pompous egocentric umpire and a dress wearing namby-pamby. Why do you guys have to argue in the extremes?
IOW: I agree.
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Old Tue Sep 18, 2007, 12:27am
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Best to have a competent, self-assured individual that is unwavering and intrepid. Games will be much more smooth.
Mind you....self assuredness and competence can be misconstrued as ego, especially if the rat ..
Is justified when he finds out you call him that.
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Old Tue Sep 18, 2007, 06:10am
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Well I have no problem with what Tim was referring to. We too are assigned our positions when we get our games. So if I show up to a game where I am assigned to work the plate with a younger member and he takes out his gear wanting to do the plate, that fine with me! I welcome partners that come forward wanting to handle the dish because I've had more than my share of partners that:
  • forgot their plate gear
  • just did a plate 3 days ago and are tired
  • have a bruise on their thigh and want to take it easy
  • going to run a 5k tomorrow and don't want to get tired
  • have a headache
  • forgot their cup
  • have a boil on their butt so they can't wear their jock.
You see, I was brought through the ranks as a "plate man" in the old days. Almost every assignment was the plate in the early years so I am so used to the dish, I used to treat being on the bases almost like being in exile! Of course now, I welcome the break when I can get it. But if the young buck forgot his gear again, I show him how the old fart can still get the job done!

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Old Tue Sep 18, 2007, 11:14am
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My first year and a half umpiring I worked the plate almost exclusively, as most of my games were solo jobs. My partner was Harvey the Rabbit and I was Jimmy Stewart.

As I moved along, working 8 to 10 games a week, I would often have the plate for 5 or 6 of these games. We take turns working the plate here depending on who had it the last time you worked with that partner. Many times I would "owe" someone the plate. Sometimes it would just work out that it was my turn with everybody I was scheduled to work with. On days with multiple games with the same partner, we would of course rotate each game. But I know I've worked many more plates than bases over the years.

As much as I love working the plate, when it came time for me to have my turn on the bases, it was usually a welcome treat.
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