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Old Sat Sep 01, 2007, 05:28pm
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That's a balk (video)

Check out this YouTube video of Vanderbilt pitcher, David Price, explaining the importance of a good pickoff move.

Yeah - I guess so!

Check out this video and tell me if you don't think every one of his examples is a balk.

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Old Sat Sep 01, 2007, 06:24pm
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I don't know about every pick off throw shown as not all give enough information (for me) --- that being said I can say that one in the middle of the vidio which was a view from 'home plate' area I certainly have a balk. His pivot foot DOES NOT gain direction more towards 1B than home. In fact it appears to me as if it is directly home. The thing that I don't understand -- with at least 3 umpires it was not called. Seems very strange....
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Old Sat Sep 01, 2007, 06:44pm
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Just a hunch, but I think maybe the first base umpire balked him in that second clip, due to his reaction...but hey, just a guess...
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Old Sat Sep 01, 2007, 06:58pm
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They all looked like balks to me. I did not think he stepped toward first base on any of his moves.
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Old Sat Sep 01, 2007, 07:28pm
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"NCAA9.3.c While in a pitching position, throw to any base in an attempt to retire a runner without first stepping directly toward such base; or throw or
feint a throw toward any base when it is not an attempt to retire a runner
or prevent the runner from advancing;
(1) The pitcher, while touching the pitcher’s rubber, must step toward
the base, preceding or simultaneous with any move toward that
base. The pitcher is committed, upon raising the lead leg, to throw
to the base being faced, to second base or to the plate. When throwing
or feinting a throw to a base not being faced, the pitcher must
step immediately, directly and gain ground toward that base."


I would have to say this didn't happen however, this is where a umpiring team needs a pregame to discuss who is going to be watching what when this guy pitches with an R1.

The pitcher hisself stated that a lefty can be more deceptive and get away with it. He is right, a good lefty can make you have a real bad day. And of course when your are on that diamond you definetly don't have the benefit of a video replay.
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Old Sun Sep 02, 2007, 12:58am
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Just a hunch, but I think maybe the first base umpire balked him in that second clip, due to his reaction...but hey, just a guess...
You may be right, but I think the look of disgust on his face is because there was a very close play at 1st and the umpire called him save. I think Price thought the runner was out.

But you could be correct.

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Old Sun Sep 02, 2007, 02:27am
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The move that starts at the 37 second mark in the clip should be called a balk by every umpire on the face of the earth no matter what code you're playing under.
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Old Sun Sep 02, 2007, 10:46am
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The move that starts at the 37 second mark in the clip should be called a balk by every umpire on the face of the earth no matter what code you're playing under.
To be honest, in my little (NCAA D3) world, every move in the video would get a balk call. It would come from the PU, since we still work 2-man in those games. At least it would if *I* was the PU.
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Old Mon Sep 03, 2007, 11:43pm
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The move that starts at the 37 second mark in the clip should be called a balk by every umpire on the face of the earth no matter what code you're playing under.
Agreed. For the others he may have been stepping on the 45 degree (hard to tell from the video) line but this one was more like 65 degrees.
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This is exactly the reason that there needs to be a complete revamping of how we treat LHP in the first place. No RHP gets anywhere near this leeway/cheating of the rules.
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Old Sat Sep 01, 2007, 11:09pm
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This is exactly the reason that there needs to be a complete revamping of how we treat LHP in the first place. No RHP gets anywhere near this leeway/cheating of the rules.
A RHP can't physically do what a LHP can do on a move to 1B. That's why you don't see "leeway." No need to revamp rules. They just need to be enforced more consistantly, some of which is very hard to do with a 2-man crew.
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Old Sat Sep 01, 2007, 11:59pm
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Originally Posted by fitump56
This is exactly the reason that there needs to be a complete revamping of how we treat LHP in the first place. No RHP gets anywhere near this leeway/cheating of the rules.
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A RHP can't physically do what a LHP can do on a move to 1B. That's why you don't see "leeway." No need to revamp rules. They just need to be enforced more consistantly, some of which is very hard to do with a 2-man crew.
I thought it was obvious that I was comparing moves to the bag that a P faces. Guess not.

Like the old-to-new strike zone, this rule needs to be enforced equally for RHP and LHP.
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Old Sun Sep 02, 2007, 12:17am
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This is exactly the reason that there needs to be a complete revamping of how we treat LHP in the first place. No RHP gets anywhere near this leeway/cheating of the rules.

I thought it was obvious that I was comparing moves to the bag that a P faces. Guess not.

Like the old-to-new strike zone, this rule needs to be enforced equally for RHP and LHP.
Missed that - my bad.

But on that note - RHP faces 3B - he isn't required to throw to 3B. The rules are completely different for 1B and 3B. I understand you are talking about the direction of the step, gaining distance and direction, etc

But I don't understand what revamping you suggest, as the rules are very different for the different bases (regardless of handedness of the pitcher)

Please explain
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Missed that - my bad.

But on that note - RHP faces 3B - he isn't required to throw to 3B. The rules are completely different for 1B and 3B. I understand you are talking about the direction of the step, gaining distance and direction, etc

But I don't understand what revamping you suggest, as the rules are very different for the different bases (regardless of handedness of the pitcher)

Please explain
I am for equality in rules treatment when a throw is made by P regardless of (L)(R)HP. There is no reason that makes any sense why we umpire this way.
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Old Sun Sep 02, 2007, 12:56am
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A RHP can't physically do what a LHP can do on a move to 1B. That's why you don't see "leeway." No need to revamp rules. They just need to be enforced more consistantly, some of which is very hard to do with a 2-man crew.
A RHP can do what a lefty does, except he does it toward 3rd base, as opposed to first. The identical move!

The difference is that a move toward 1st is more common and more useful. Pickoff attempts at 3rd are very rare.

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