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waltjp Sun Aug 05, 2007 06:31pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Mueller
Simply put:

It is very difficult to remain motionless when squared to bunt.
If there is any movement forward or toward the ball I will strike it.
The benefit of doubt will certainly be in favor of F1.
If the batter makes no attempt to pull back I will look hard for an attempt.
You may not like that attitude but it is within the rules.
My op was a heads up to flemmer (I figured he was a coach) and other coaches that to teach kids to keep the bat over the plate, for whatever reason, may not be a good idea.
I was not trying to talk you out of giving up strikes.
Thanks Don. That's exactly what I thought. My comprehension skills appear to be just fine.

UMP25 Sun Aug 05, 2007 06:58pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Mueller
Question.

Obvious sac situation, batter squares early, bat across the plate and at the very top of strike zone. F1 delivers, pitch is 1" above the bat and out of the zone, batter makes no offer, no movement, ball misses bat by 1".
Who's going to be the first brave soul to step up and say they're balling this pitch?
Me, because I've done the very same thing more than once and NEVER got much guff from it after I explained succinctly why I didn't rule it a strike.

bob jenkins Sun Aug 05, 2007 08:07pm
[QUOTE=Don Mueller][QUOTE=UMP25]
Quote:
Originally Posted by fitump56
batter makes no offer,
Ball. No he didn't (optional addition).

Who would say, "He didn't make an offer, but I'm calling it a strike." (and no, I don't mean who would say that literally)

SanDiegoSteve Sun Aug 05, 2007 08:11pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by GarthB
This should be sufficient:

OBR 2.00

A STRIKE is a legal pitch when so called by the umpire, which -

(a) Is struck at by the batter and is missed;
I just seem to recall reading actual wording about merely holding the bat in the strike zone not being an attempt in something other than FED, i.e., OBR.

LSMFT:)

BigUmp56 Sun Aug 05, 2007 08:21pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve
I just seem to recall reading actual wording about merely holding the bat in the strike zone not being an attempt in something other than FED, i.e., OBR.

LSMFT:)
Steve,


I know you worked some LL games last year and you might have read what you're talking about in "The Right Call."


“The Right Call” Casebook -- Comment: The key words are “intentionally met with the bat.” Comment: If no attempt is made to make contact with a ball outside the strike zone while in the bunting stance, it should be called a ball. An effort must be made to intentionally meet the ball with the bat.


Tim.

SanDiegoSteve Sun Aug 05, 2007 08:23pm
Alright, I'll buy that. That may have been where I saw it. Thanks.

umpduck11 Sun Aug 05, 2007 08:41pm
[QUOTE=Don Mueller][QUOTE=UMP25]
Quote:
Originally Posted by fitump56
Question.

Obvious sac situation, batter squares early, bat across the plate and at the very top of strike zone. F1 delivers, pitch is 1" above the bat and out of the zone, batter makes no offer, no movement, ball misses bat by 1".
Who's going to be the first brave soul to step up and say they're balling this pitch?

Why on earth would you NOT call this pitch a ball ??? I assume you are implying that the 1" means something, as you cited it twice..... :rolleyes: I prefer to look for pitches that are strikes, or that are offered to by the batter, than to create my own. I'm sorry it's taken me so long to realize others on this board were correct. **click**

(**click** in memory of LMan)

Rcichon Sun Aug 05, 2007 09:02pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve
......clipped.........LSMFT

I know what that stands for [I feel older now]! My grandfather smoke those for 65-70 years. Quit when he was 82. Not one lung problem ever.

SanDiegoSteve Sun Aug 05, 2007 09:17pm
I used to smoke...huhhhhhh...four packs a day...huhhhhhhhh...but since they took out one of my lungs...huhhhhhhhhhhhh...I've cut my smoking in half!:D

Seriously, I feel 100% better since quitting smoking several years back.

fitump56 Sun Aug 05, 2007 09:37pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Mueller
Simply put:

It is very difficult to remain motionless when squared to bunt.
If there is any movement forward or toward the ball I will strike it.
The benefit of doubt will certainly be in favor of F1.
If the batter makes no attempt to pull back I will look hard for an attempt.
You may not like that attitude but it is within the rules.
My op was a heads up to flemmer (I figured he was a coach) and other coaches that to teach kids to keep the bat over the plate, for whatever reason, may not be a good idea.
If this is not copyrighted, I'm writing it down for future regurgitation. ;)

fitump56 Sun Aug 05, 2007 09:40pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by bob jenkins
I disagree with this statement. (Okay, to be clear, I don't disagree that Don does it; I disagree that he, or any umpire, should do it).

An umpire needn't "look hard" for an attempt. He just needs to watch the actions and judge accordingly.
I suppose "looking hard" at any call is an indecency? Or just this one. How about looking hard at all of them?

fitump56 Sun Aug 05, 2007 09:43pm
Originally Posted by fitump56
Forward is it? Not what the rule says, the rule says "at" the ball. So you would not call a strike if B drops or raises his bat vertically with no forward push if the ball is above or below his bat, in an obvious attempt to bunt? I guess not. :eek:
Quote:
Originally Posted by UMP25
It's obvious you don't even know the definition of the word "push" now. :rolleyes:

When you come to an exit door that says "push," do you yank real hard and wonder why it won't open? :rolleyes:
You missed the difference between forward and verical motions, later. :p

fitump56 Sun Aug 05, 2007 09:46pm
Originally Posted by fitump56
batter makes no offer,

Quote:
Originally Posted by bob jenkins
Ball. No he didn't (optional addition).
Correct.

Quote:
Who would say, "He didn't make an offer, but I'm calling it a strike." (and no, I don't mean who would say that literally)
I don't know, who? One of your "Smitties"?

fitump56 Sun Aug 05, 2007 09:48pm
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Question.

Obvious sac situation, batter squares early, bat across the plate and at the very top of strike zone. F1 delivers, pitch is 1" above the bat and out of the zone, batter makes no offer, no movement, ball misses bat by 1".
Who's going to be the first brave soul to step up and say they're balling this pitch?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by UMP25


Why on earth would you NOT call this pitch a ball ???
Answer is in following the thread.

Forest Ump Sun Aug 05, 2007 10:26pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve
LSMFT:)
I was going to ask what this meant. Then I goggled it. Seems there are two meanings. You must have meant the first one. The second one may earn you a slap in the face.:D


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