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waltjp Fri Aug 03, 2007 03:24pm

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Originally Posted by Don Mueller
Exactly which rule are you referring to that is not being followed?

Or are you just being a RAT and questioning judgement calls?

A RAT in umps clothing. I think that puts you well beyond smitty and troll

No, I think he's questioning your willingness to bend the rules as you see fit.

fitump56 Fri Aug 03, 2007 09:52pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Don Mueller
Be Aware, it is very difficult to hold the bat motionless while showing bunt. From my perspective there is absolutely no reason for the batter to leave the bat out over the plate if he has no intention at striking the ball. If the batter is making no attempt at pulling the bat back on an apparent 'ball' then he better not twitch, lean or sway any direction but back or else I'm striking it.
In other words, if the batter shows zero attempt to pull back, I'll probably see an attempt.

I'm on with this interp. Placing the bat over the plate..

1) Trying to adjust the D (as in feint and hit) - good baseball.
2) Trying to distract F1/F2 - guess who else gets distracted, PU, you think this is good?

If you have your bat anywhere the pitch when it comes in, Steeeeeerikorino.

bob jenkins Fri Aug 03, 2007 11:24pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by fitump56
I'm on with this interp. Placing the bat over the plate..

1) Trying to adjust the D (as in feint and hit) - good baseball.
2) Trying to distract F1/F2 - guess who else gets distracted, PU, you think this is good?

If you have your bat anywhere the pitch when it comes in, Steeeeeerikorino.

Well, since the bat can't disappear, it must be "anywhere". So, every pitch is a strike. I like it. Of course, we'll have to think of a name to call this game, because "baseball" is already taken.

fitump56 Fri Aug 03, 2007 11:27pm

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I'm on with this interp. Placing the bat over the plate..

1) Trying to adjust the D (as in feint and hit) - good baseball.
2) Trying to distract F1/F2 - guess who else gets distracted, PU, you think this is good?

If you have your bat anywhere near the pitch when it comes in, Steeeeeerikorino.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins
Well, since the bat can't disappear, it must be "anywhere". So, every pitch is a strike. I like it. Of course, we'll have to think of a name to call this game, because "baseball" is already taken.

Go to bed. Surely you have better things to do than nitpik my posts.

UMP25 Fri Aug 03, 2007 11:40pm

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Originally Posted by LakeErieUmp
It is correct. But capitalizing the first letter of every word is not correct. It is Difficult To Read.

Indeed. See here: http://forum.officiating.com/showthr...120#post430120

Isn't doing this ridiculously time-consuming as well? :confused:

UMP25 Fri Aug 03, 2007 11:45pm

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Originally Posted by fitump56
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I'm on with this interp. Placing the bat over the plate..

1) Trying to adjust the D (as in feint and hit) - good baseball.
2) Trying to distract F1/F2 - guess who else gets distracted, PU, you think this is good?

If you have your bat anywhere near the pitch when it comes in, Steeeeeerikorino.

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Go to bed. Surely you have better things to do than nitpik my posts.

OK, I'm still up. I'll just finish where Bob left off. :)

BTW, how far (close?) is "anywhere near"? If the bat is 6" away, do we strike the pitch? So 2.00 definition of a strike is moot here?

Wow! My games are all gonna be less than hour now with this and Mueller's Rules of Unofficial "Baseball!" :rolleyes:

SanDiegoSteve Fri Aug 03, 2007 11:51pm

For those who side with Fittysix and Mueller, remember this: A pitch that is not struck at and not in the strike zone is a ball.

That is all you need to remember.

UMP25 Fri Aug 03, 2007 11:54pm

Silly, Steve, you're forgetting that that is correct in OBR and not UOBR, hich seems to be the code f56 and Mueller are following.

MrUmpire Sat Aug 04, 2007 12:04am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Don Mueller
In other words, if the batter shows zero attempt to pull back, I'll probably see an attempt.

In other words, if the batter follows the rules, you won't.

fitump56 Sat Aug 04, 2007 12:57am

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrUmpire
In other words, if the batter follows the rules, you won't.

When every batter does, he will.

Your turn.

fitump56 Sat Aug 04, 2007 01:03am

Quote:

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve
For those who side with Fittysix and Mueller, remember this: A pitch that is not struck at and not in the strike zone is a ball.

Excellent. I got one of those things too.

"AN IDIOT WHO LEAVES HIS BAT TO BUNT at our near the plate IS ASSUMED TO BE STRIKING THE BASEBALL ....

bob jenkins Sat Aug 04, 2007 07:56am

[QUOTE=fitump56][quote=SanDiegoSteve]For those who side with Fittysix and Mueller, remember this: A pitch that is not struck at and not in the strike zone is a ball.
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Excellent. I got one of those things too.

"AN IDIOT WHO LEAVES HIS BAT TO BUNT at our near the plate IS ASSUMED TO BE STRIKING THE BASEBALL ....
Fed 7.2.1B "In bunting, any movement of the bat toward the ball when the ball is over or near the plate area, is a strike. The mere holding of the bat in the strike zone is not an attempt to hit the ball."

SanDiegoSteve Sat Aug 04, 2007 11:03am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins
Fed 7.2.1B "In bunting, any movement of the bat toward the ball when the ball is over or near the plate area, is a strike. The mere holding of the bat in the strike zone is not an attempt to hit the ball."

Bob, I know I have seen it somewhere, but isn't there an OBR version of this statement? I scoured my rule book looking for it and can't find it. Perhaps you can tell me exactly where I've seen this interpretation. Is it in a manual somewhere?

Don Mueller Sat Aug 04, 2007 09:06pm

[QUOTE=bob jenkins][QUOTE=fitump56]
Quote:

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve
For those who side with Fittysix and Mueller, remember this: A pitch that is not struck at and not in the strike zone is a ball.

Fed 7.2.1B "In bunting, any movement of the bat toward the ball when the ball is over or near the plate area, is a strike. The mere holding of the bat in the strike zone is not an attempt to hit the ball."

Thanks Bob,

For those who have been denegrating my posts please reread posts 8 and 11 without prejudice and tell me how I've bent, misapplied or made up additional rules relative to this topic.
My interps on the above rule were right on, if I do say so myself.
I think some on this forum are so prejudice it blinds them from understanding basic principles of a post.
I wonder if those who prejudge posts also prejudge plays on the field?

fitump56 Sat Aug 04, 2007 09:25pm

[quote=bob jenkins][quote=fitump56]
Quote:

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve
For those who side with Fittysix and Mueller, remember this: A pitch that is not struck at and not in the strike zone is a ball.

Fed 7.2.1B "In bunting, any movement of the bat toward the ball when the ball is over or near the plate area, is a strike. The mere holding of the bat in the strike zone is not an attempt to hit the ball."

So if B vertically raises his bat to, let's say, shoulder height on a an inside drop curve, that breaks slightly off the plate but well below his bat, he gets a "Ball"? :eek: I guess so. :confused:

What if he holds the bat on the same pitch, outside the strike zone, again not "to" the ball, because it is outside the strike zone, he gets a "Ball"? :D

How much bat = bat? All, part the tip end?

Ill defined rules of OBR, which ought to be tossed into the garbage and totally rewritten anyway, need common sense interps. Here's mine.

"AN IDIOT WHO LEAVES HIS BAT TO BUNT at our near the plate IS ASSUMED TO BE STRIKING THE BASEBALL ....as far as I am concerned. Since I have nor will never see a B who holds a bat completely still and in accordance with above BS rule, I got strikes to call.


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