Wild pitch goes out of play

[Back In The Saddle]

R2 and R3. Pitcher throws a wild pitch that goes out of play. Where do the runners go?

[Arnold A.]

R3 goes home and R2 goes to third.

[FTVMartin]

Always award 1 base when throw comes from the rubber.

[socalblue1]

Originally Posted by FTVMartin

Always award 1 base when throw comes from the rubber.

Not quite true ... A pitch or throw from the runner that goes directly out of play is always a one base award.

Example: Wild pitch bounces of F2 and rolls toward dugout & comes to stop PRIOR to leaving play. F2 kicks ball during attempt to pick it up and it now goes into dugout. Award is now two bases (7.05 h AR).

[johnnyg08]

I think that pretty much locks it up! Nice job fellas

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by socalblue1

Not quite true ... A pitch or throw from the runner that goes directly out of play is always a one base award.

Example: Wild pitch bounces of F2 and rolls toward dugout & comes to stop PRIOR to leaving play. F2 kicks ball during attempt to pick it up and it now goes into dugout. Award is now two bases (7.05 h AR).

Not quite true....the wild pitch that doesn't go out of play is just that not out play. If a fielder comes along and helps the ball go into DBT, it is not actually a wild pitch that goes into DBT. It is a loose ball that is knocked into DBT.

If we could just get lawump in on this, all would be complete!

[w_sohl]

Originally Posted by socalblue1

Not quite true ... A pitch or throw from the runner that goes directly out of play is always a one base award.

Example: Wild pitch bounces of F2 and rolls toward dugout & comes to stop PRIOR to leaving play. F2 kicks ball during attempt to pick it up and it now goes into dugout. Award is now two bases (7.05 h AR).

This is no longer a wild pitch...

[UMP25]

Jim Evans has a nice list of what he calls "deflections," among which the wild pitch stopping and being booted out of play is one example.

[lawump]

Originally Posted by rei

If we could just get lawump in on this, all would be complete!

Thanks for the invite.

The general rule is this:

"Every runner is awarded his advance base (one base) when a pitch or in-contact (with the rubber) throw enters DBT." (J/R Manual pg. 29, 1997 ed.)

"A subsequent push of a pitch or in-contact throw occurs when such pitch or throw is errant, remains on the playing field, and is subsequently kicked or deflected, causing the ball itself to enter DBT or to become lodged. Each runner is awarded two bases beyond his TOP base." (Id. at 32).

However, "(t)he phrase, "remains on the playing field and is subsequently kicked or defelcted out of play" is interpreted to mean that the impetus of the fielder caused the ball to go out of play (for example, the ball has come to rest and is then deflected out of play; or the ball is not rolling towards an out-of-play area but the deflection causes it to gout of play." (1996 PBUC Manual Update pg. 4)

"If the umpire judges that the deflected ball would have gone out of play on its own, the award in such situation is one base. On the other hand, if the umpire judges that the deflection in fact caused the ball to go out of play (and it would not have gone out of play had the fielder not touched it), then the award is two bases." (Id.) (emphasis added)

"Examples:

1. With runners on base, a pitched ball deflects off the catcher and rolls towards the dugout. It is obvious that the ball will roll into the dugout on its own. The catcher, chasing after the ball, dives and tries to stop the ball from entering the dugout. The ball deflects off the catcher's outstretched goved hand and rolls into the dugout anway.
Ruling:One base form the time of the pitch." (Id.)

[mbyron]

Hey, my J/R is missing, could you post the rest please? TIA.

[lawump]

"Examples:

2. With runners on base, a wild pitch goes past the catcher and strikes the backstop. The ball rebounds and rolls towards an out-of-play line. It is obvious that the ball will roll out of play on its own. The catcher, chasing after the ball, dives and tries to stop the ball from going out of play. The ball deflects off the catcher's outstretched gloved hand and rolls out of play anyway.
Ruling: One base from the time of the pitch." (1996 PBUC Manual Update pg. 4.)

"3. With runners on base, a wild pitch goes past the catcher and strikes the backstop. The ball rebounds and rolls back towards home plate. The catcher, chasing after the ball, tries to field the ball but inadvertently kicks (or deflects) the ball into the dugout.
Ruling: Two bases from the time of the pitch." (Id.)

[mbyron]

That's helpful, thanks. Oh, I meant the rest of the J/R manual, not just this case.