shane victorino dives into the stands

newump · #1 (**permalink**) Mon Jul 02, 2007, 09:50pm

our friendly announcers have filled the airwaves with more misinformation. phils at houston, bases loaded, 2 outs, 3-2 pitch. 7th inn. houston up 4-3. foul fly ball down the right field line, victorino dives into the stands in an attempt to make a sensational catch and keep the game close. he doesn't make the catch. after numerous replays and a commercial break, gary matthews comments that the catch wouldn't have counted even if he had caught the ball. his colleague, chris wheeler agrees with him.
is there any question that this catch would have been good if it had been caught? 1 base award for the runners had there not been 2 outs, correct??

Rich Ives · #2 (**permalink**) Mon Jul 02, 2007, 10:28pm

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Originally Posted by newump

our friendly announcers have filled the airwaves with more misinformation. phils at houston, bases loaded, 2 outs, 3-2 pitch. 7th inn. houston up 4-3. foul fly ball down the right field line, victorino dives into the stands in an attempt to make a sensational catch and keep the game close. he doesn't make the catch. after numerous replays and a commercial break, gary matthews comments that the catch wouldn't have counted even if he had caught the ball. his colleague, chris wheeler agrees with him.
is there any question that this catch would have been good if it had been caught? 1 base award for the runners had there not been 2 outs, correct??

If he landed in the stands before catching it - it wouldn't be a catch.

newump · #3 (**permalink**) Mon Jul 02, 2007, 10:36pm

i understand. he was clearly airborne - albeit, horizontal, when he almost caught the ball.

charliej47 · #4 (**permalink**) Tue Jul 03, 2007, 05:57am

The last time we discussed this it was decided that your position was from where your feet last touched when you left the ground on your leap to catch the ball. So it would have been an out and and a "catch and carry".

newump · #5 (**permalink**) Tue Jul 03, 2007, 08:48am

i agree with charlie - his feet were in foul ground, but live ball territory, when he lept - he had yet to land when he came close to touching the ball. isn't that the determining factor?

mbyron · #6 (**permalink**) Tue Jul 03, 2007, 10:56am

So it's like basketball: you are where you were till you get where you're going?

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