Balk Followed by Hit

[Rich]

Originally Posted by CoachJM

Rich,

Verbatim from the 2007 FED Umpire Manual (#22 on p.17 for those following along at home):



And you throw this gem away?!?!? I find it makes an excellent coaster.

JM

My God. Are we supposed to throw our hands up in the traditional Smitty method -- as if I was being held up at a liquor store?

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by GarthB

Thanks for the URL showing at least I'm consistent.

To me, practical would be to call time immediately in FED to let everyone know that play is over and keep the whining to a minimum should the pitcher pitch and the batter hit the ball.


As I said in the thread you referenced...When I can't remember the code under which I'm working, I'll retire.

It really has nothing at all to do with whether one can or can't remember which rule set is being used. It has more to do with style, as it just looks cooler to point and say "that's a balk." followed immediately by "Time." The one second delay between the two phrases is not going to confuse anyone or cause any whining.

The call of "Time" can mean just about any reason for killing the ball, whereas if it is preceded by "That's a balk," there is no confusion as to why it is being called.

Garth, by all means do it the way you want. Just don't consider those who do it differently to be using it as a crutch, or because they don't know WTF they are doing, because that is just not the case.

[fitump56]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

My God. Are we supposed to throw our hands up in the traditional Smitty method -- as if I was being held up at a liquor store?

Question.
If the traditional Smitty style works best for a given situation, would you rather be effective or stylish?

[fitump56]

Originally Posted by GarthB

To me, practical would be to call time immediately in FED to let everyone know that play is over....

As you should, good call!

and keep the whining to a minimum should the pitcher pitch and the batter hit the ball.

Interesting approach. Officiating strategies by whine meter.

As I said in the thread you referenced...When I can't remember the code under which I'm working, I'll retire.

Then retire since no one knows the entire code and much left open for interp...as is consistently demonstrated here...by you.

No need to respond, I'm on your Ignore List, as you have publicly announced. Hmmm, wonder why that is?

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

It really has nothing at all to do with whether one can or can't remember which rule set is being used. It has more to do with style, as it just looks cooler to point and say "that's a balk." followed immediately by "Time." The one second delay between the two phrases is not going to confuse anyone or cause any whining.

That is not what was being discussed.

The two methods being discussed were the OBR....


"That's a balk" (Wait for play to end) "TIME! That's a balk."

And FED:

"TIME! That's a balk."

There can be, and often is, a significant difference.

Do what you want. I believe in this instance there is a right and wrong.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by fitump56

Then retire since no one knows the entire code and much left open for interp...as is consistently demonstrated here...by you.

They may not know the entire code or understand all the intricacies of how to apply the rules of a particular rules code, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say most here know what code they're working under during a game.

Originally Posted by fitump56

No need to respond, I'm on your Ignore List, as you have publicly announced. Hmmm, wonder why that is?

I don't think there's anything for you to wonder about.


Tim.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by GarthB

That is not what was being discussed.

The two methods being discussed were the OBR....


"That's a balk" (Wait for play to end) "TIME! That's a balk."

And FED:

"TIME! That's a balk."

There can be, and often is, a significant difference.

Do what you want. I believe in this instance there is a right and wrong.

"That's a balk" is IMMEDIATELY followed by TIME in FED games. There is no difference at all.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

"That's a balk" is IMMEDIATELY followed by TIME in FED games. There is no difference at all.

Sigh.

Do what you'd like. Write what you'd like. I've explained to what I was responding. I'm done here.

GB

[UMP25]

This is one rule I truly wish FED would change, because when it happens in NCAA or OBR, I almost always get the usual, "Hey! The ball is dead! He can't go anywhere" kind of responses.

Just out of curiosity, has anyone here ever called a balk in FED and had the batter smack a home run, only to oh so happily nullify those runs?