Babe Ruth Unreported substitute

[PABlue]

Rich I should have been more clear in my first post,I forgot to add that I needed what penalty if any is there. I had found the rule just not if there was a penalty. I didn't want to make a mistake by saying it's not in the book ( that I could find) so there must not be a penalty. Thanks

[cbfoulds]

Originally Posted by PABlue

Rich I should have been more clear in my first post,I forgot to add that I needed what penalty if any is there. I had found the rule just not if there was a penalty. I didn't want to make a mistake by saying it's not in the book ( that I could find) so there must not be a penalty. Thanks

There is no penalty for an unreported [as opposed to illegal - different critter] substitute in any level of BASEball I've ever heard of: that [penalty for not reporting] is [I believe- I don't do SB] a SOFTball rule.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by PABlue

Rich I should have been more clear in my first post,I forgot to add that I needed what penalty if any is there. I had found the rule just not if there was a penalty. I didn't want to make a mistake by saying it's not in the book ( that I could find) so there must not be a penalty. Thanks

3.08(b) (b) Any play made by, or on, any of the above mentioned unannounced substitutes shall be legal.

3.03 A player, or players, may be substituted during a game at any time the ball is dead.


Why would anyone think there should be a penalty?

[PABlue]

Because the umpire is old and senile today! Also he doesn't seem to be reading to clearly or else he would have seen the above ruling . Lets blame it on lack of sleep and stupidty of this week.Here is a list of things I have heard or seen this week.
1. Unreported substitute called out when lady keeping the book tried to tell the home team the batter was a new player. ( Bases were loaded with 2 outs)
2. Ball falls out of fielders glove on pop fly when he hits the ground.( He held that long enough.)
3. Coaches not knowing when IFF was in effect.
4. Other coaches not wanting runners to be able to advance on a dropped IFF.
5. Hands are part of the bat.( Again)
6. Fielders standing on bag without the ball( That's obstuction coach.What's that?)
7. Runner out for not sliding even if play not being made.
8. OK to run over catcher if he's in the baseline.( Cal Ripken Ball)
9. Runner has to return to the base before picher has the ball.(CRB)
10. Coach wants a tag to be made on runner who left early on a fly ball when he is trying to return instead of just touching the base.
That has been my week so the stupidness must be catching up with me to. Sorry guys I'll get it together.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by PABlue

2. Ball falls out of fielders glove on pop fly when he hits the ground.( He held that long enough.)

What did the umpire call? The correct call would be "No Catch." It doesn't matter "long enough." Long enough for what? If the player ran 20 feet with the ball, tripped and fell, and the ball falls out of his glove, it's "No Catch." He must show a voluntary release to be counted as a "Catch."

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

What did the umpire call? The correct call would be "No Catch." It doesn't matter "long enough." Long enough for what? If the player ran 20 feet with the ball, tripped and fell, and the ball falls out of his glove, it's "No Catch." He must show a voluntary release to be counted as a "Catch."

Sounds like he called it a catch.

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

What did the umpire call? The correct call would be "No Catch." It doesn't matter "long enough." Long enough for what? If the player ran 20 feet with the ball, tripped and fell, and the ball falls out of his glove, it's "No Catch." He must show a voluntary release to be counted as a "Catch."

That's the stupidest thing I've heard all week... and cdump was pretty active, so that's saying a lot.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

That's the stupidest thing I've heard all week... and cdump was pretty active, so that's saying a lot.

And what is so stupid about it? If a player catches the ball, and then runs into the wall, collides with a player, or falls down, and drops the ball, it's NO CATCH. There is no such thing as "held it long enough" without a voluntary release. You show me in the book where it says "held it long enough" without the voluntary release.

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

And what is so stupid about it? If a player catches the ball, and then runs into the wall, collides with a player, or falls down, and drops the ball, it's NO CATCH. There is no such thing as "held it long enough" without a voluntary release. You show me in the book where it says "held it long enough" without the voluntary release.

If you had said any of that, it would not have been stupid, or even incorrect. What you ACTUALLY said, however, wins the prize. "If the player ran 20 feet with the ball, tripped and fell, and the ball falls out of his glove, it's "No Catch." That's complete nonsense.

[DG]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

And what is so stupid about it? If a player catches the ball, and then runs into the wall, collides with a player, or falls down, and drops the ball, it's NO CATCH. There is no such thing as "held it long enough" without a voluntary release. You show me in the book where it says "held it long enough" without the voluntary release.

Per Evans, "Keys for determining a catch: secure possession, firmly holding, dropped while in the act a making throw, held long enough, complete control, and voluntary and intentional release."

You are saying that if an outfielder makes an easy catch, runs 20 feet with ball securely held in his glove, trips on his own feet and falls down and the ball rolls out you are going to rule NO CATCH?

[Don Mueller]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

What did the umpire call? The correct call would be "No Catch." It doesn't matter "long enough." Long enough for what? If the player ran 20 feet with the ball, tripped and fell, and the ball falls out of his glove, it's "No Catch." He must show a voluntary release to be counted as a "Catch."

Sorry didn't read all the posts.
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