Balls hits runner on base

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by blueump

HUH???

So, what rule (if not this one) do you apply to a baserunner hit by a batted ball, standing on a base when "the infield is drawn in and had an opportunity to make a play" as I can clearly read the OP says.

You're kidding right. You do see that the rule you quoted is just one small part of the bigger rule (this one is part k), right? I'll leave it to you to find the right one, and give you the hint that it does not say that the fielder who had a play on the ball had to be an infielder - it says A FIELDER.

Maybe the buffet food has gotten in your eyes, but still have a live ball, no out, as I stated originally. You seem to be arguing just to argue.

Bases loaded, infield in, CF standing 10-feet behind 2B. Sharp hit up the middle bounces (past F4 and F6), hits R2, and you feel F8 had a play. You rule no out? If so, please read the rest of the rule. If you still have no out, there's no hope for you. Garth, me, et al have told you the rule. Choose to believe what you want to believe.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

You're kidding right. You do see that the rule you quoted is just one small part of the bigger rule (this one is part k), right? I'll leave it to you to find the right one, and give you the hint that it does not say that the fielder who had a play on the ball had to be an infielder - it says A FIELDER.


Bases loaded, infield in, CF standing 10-feet behind 2B. Sharp hit up the middle bounces (past F4 and F6), hits R2, and you feel F8 had a play. You rule no out? If so, please read the rest of the rule. If you still have no out, there's no hope for you. Garth, me, et al have told you the rule. Choose to believe what you want to believe.

My rule book says "no other infielder had the chance to make a play on the ball." F8 is not an infielder.

[blueump]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

My rule book says "no other infielder had the chance to make a play on the ball." F8 is not an infielder.

Maybe the rule book is in error? Maybe its a typo over and over and over again!

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by blueump

Maybe the rule book is in error? Maybe its a typo over and over and over again!

There are over 230 errors identified in the rule book.

Let's recap, on one side we have Jim Evans, Rick Roder, the MLBUM (an official publicatino with official interpretations), PBUC, the pro schools, and MLB and MiLB umpires.

On the other side we have blueump and SDS. Man, this is a tough choice, but I think I'll go with the pros on this one.

[SanDiegoSteve]

I suggest everyone who thinks the rule applies to an outfielder go reread the rule more carefully.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

I suggest everyone who thinks the rule applies to an outfielder go reread the rule more carefully.

Let's see, that would include Roder, Evans, the authors of the MLBUM, every MLB umpire, PBUC......I'll help you get the letters out. Let's start with Mike Winters.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by GarthB

Let's see, that would include Roder, Evans, the authors of the MLBUM, every MLB umpire, PBUC......I'll help you get the letters out. Let's start with Mike Winters.

I'm not taking anyone's side here. We have umpires quoting 7.09k as "an other fielder had a play" when it doesn't say that, it says "infielder."

7.08b was not being discussed or quoted, it was 7.09k that everyone was so enchanted with here.

CoachJM said 7.09k referred to any fielder, which is incorrect, it says "an infielder."

That is the only part I am disputing here. I'm not going against your "gods" of baseball you listed.

I don't need any help getting any letters out smart guy.

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

I'm not taking anyone's side here. We have umpires quoting 7.09k as "an other fielder had a play" when it doesn't say that, it says "infielder."

7.08b was not being discussed or quoted, it was 7.09k that everyone was so enchanted with here.

CoachJM said 7.09k referred to any fielder, which is incorrect, it says "an infielder."

That is the only part I am disputing here. I'm not going against your "gods" of baseball you listed.

I don't need any help getting any letters out smart guy.

Actually, I was consistently and repeatedly trying to tell BG to stop using 7.09k in this sitch, as it doesn't apply.

[Tim C]

"Sounds like an immature pot shot to me. Some pose questions and what they would call based on what they know and are actually willing to learn from what is said on this board. I've changed my view on many topics by reading and defending positions this board.

"You don't know me at all, and I don't know you. If you feel the need to stoop to this level, you are the one showing how ignorant you really are. Maybe you should attempt to actually add to the intelligent discussion here instead of making personal attacks against someone you don't have a clue about."

First let me wipe the tear from my eye.

There, much better.

IF my post offended you me thinks your skin just may be too thin to be an umpire.

Regards and back to my cave.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

Actually, I was consistently and repeatedly trying to tell BG to stop using 7.09k in this sitch, as it doesn't apply.

My original entry into this fray was only to point out that JM said that in 7.09k it says "any fielder," which is not accurate. Any conjecture as to my agreeing or disagreeing with the interpretation of any other rule is not of my making.

JM said that even if an outfielder has a play on a deflected or ball that passed through an infielder, that a runner is out when hit by the ball. That is false.

All I did was point out what a rule really says, and dispell any notion that it says otherwise. An outfielder who is not stationed in the infield at the TOP is not considered as an infielder for the purposes of rule 7.09k.

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

My rule book says "no other infielder had the chance to make a play on the ball." F8 is not an infielder.

7.09k does ... and 7.09k does not apply to this situation. 7.09k specifically applies to situations where the ball passes through or by an infielder.

7.08b -
Any runner is out when --
(b) He ... hinders a fielder attempting to make a play on a batted ball;

Note - NOT an infielder ... a fielder.

[Don Mueller]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

Bases loaded, infield in, CF standing 10-feet behind 2B. .

For the purpose of rule interpretation, isn't F8 in this situation an infielder?

[blueump]

Originally Posted by Don Mueller

For the purpose of rule interpretation, isn't F8 in this situation an infielder?

Thus we come to yet another difference between FED and ORB.

In ORB, not unless he is actually on the infield - any player who occupies the position in the infield is an infielder.

In FED, no - the players who play left, right and centerfields are considered outfielders, no matter where they play...the others are infielders.