Who scores??

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

John,

I may be wrong but I thought there was a case play in FED that addressed a homerun differently in this situation.


Tim.

Tim -- the difference comes when there's a "timing out" during a homerun (hit out of the park).

Suppose B4 hits a home run, but passes R1 (for the third out) after R3 has touched the plate.

In OBR and NCAA, R3's run counts -- it scored before the out. No other runs count -- they "scored" after the third out.

In FED, 3 runs count -- the runners were awarded home when the ball went out of play. B4's run does not count since he made the third out.

Note that if this long hit were on a field with no fences, that there is no award, so only R3's run counts.

When the third out is a foce play (as in the OP), then no runs count under any code.

[johnnyg08]

Is there a difference between a force play and an appeal play. In this sitch, it's an appeal versus a force right?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

Is there a difference between a force play and an appeal play. In this sitch, it's an appeal versus a force right?

The two have no relationship. You can have appeal plays that are forces, and appeal plays that are not. You can have "normal playing action" outs that are forces, and those that are not.

[johnnyg08]

What instance(s) would an appeal and a force play be the same? If F8 makes a diving catch and throws the ball to F3 to double off R1 who was running on the pitch...that is an appeal play, not a force out right? Also, please help me understand how you can have a force out on an out of the park home run? I get the rule...I just don't understand how you can have a force out on a home run as in Case FED 9.1.1 L and 9.1.1 M...I'm just not seeing it...

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

What instance(s) would an appeal and a force play be the same? If F8 makes a diving catch and throws the ball to F3 to double off R1 who was running on the pitch...that is an appeal play, not a force out right?

That's an appeal play and a timing play (not a force play).

The OP in this thread (home run, R2 misses third, appealed) is an appeal play and a force out.

[johnnyg08]

So what is the correct answer in the OP? R3 scores, R2,R1,BR runs do not score? or All runs score except for R2?

[UmpJM]

johnnyg08,

As I said in the 5th post on this thread, NO RUN SCORES on the play presented in the OP.

JM

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

So what is the correct answer in the OP? R3 scores, R2,R1,BR runs do not score? or All runs score except for R2?

Is the third out a force out? Can runs score when the third out is a force out?

If your answers are other than "Yes" and "No" respectively, then go back and reread the thread and or the rules. This specifici example might even be in OBR under "How a Run Scores" (4.06?)

[soundedlikeastrike]

No, none, zip, nada, runs score in the OP.

The appeal was on a runner that was forced, he didn't touch his forced to base, so it's just like F5 had fielded a grounder and stepped on the bag.

Now, had there been only R3, R2, no force, then R3's run woulda counted, if he scored prior to the appeal.