Questionable play, wrong umpire

[waltjp]

Originally Posted by blueump

Wow it always amazes me how quick a toss finger some people have. Throwing out a coach is NOT a badge of honor! Coaches need to be able to question calls. Don't take it personally, unless they make it person.

The most respected umpires in my area have thick skin. They don't take profanity or personal attacks, but simply arguing a call won't make them toss a coach. The more experience you get at umpiring, the less likely you are to toss people. My first year, I probably tossed 8 coaches. Now that I've matured I average less than one a year.

I'd be willing to bet that most of the "quick toss" comments on this board are made by guys that simply want to sound tough, but are all talk.

Blueump - 18 years and probably about 12 ejections. Am I too quick with the thumb???

"If he continues to complain to YOU, then YOU show him the exit."

I'll stand by that statement - you've already told the coach that he had to talk to your partner about your partner's call; still he continues to complain to you about the call. Are you going to say "pretty please"?

Eight ejections in your first year and you're commenting on how quickly others toss a coach??? Maybe you should share your secret with me.

[johnnyg08]

Depends on the coach and how much you're willing to take from a coach...personally, I'm not going to change my call unless it's an incorrect rule interpretation or something of that nature...otherwise...as a coach, most don't know the rules anyway...and i'm not going to let a coach grandstand and try to show me or my partner up on the field. I'll let him say his piece and if it becomes personal, prolonged, or profane...I'll show him the door...I don't keep track of how many tosses I have...the best I can say is...not too many...I handle each situation as it's own entity...even if I have a history with a coach...if somebody questions my partner and it's my call, we cover this in our pregame...to direct the coach to the proper umpire...

[blueump]

Originally Posted by waltjp

Blueump - 18 years and probably about 12 ejections. Am I too quick with the thumb???

"If he continues to complain to YOU, then YOU show him the exit."

I'll stand by that statement - you've already told the coach that he had to talk to your partner about your partner's call; still he continues to complain to you about the call. Are you going to say "pretty please"?

Eight ejections in your first year and you're commenting on how quickly others toss a coach??? Maybe you should share your secret with me.

If I had a buck for every time someone on this board said "if he complains, toss him" I'd be in a totally different tax bracket. My point simply is that I think too many people here spout off about how they'd be a "big man" and toss anybody that questions their calls, but when it comes to real game situations, I think more level heads prevail.

Yes, I had about 8 my first year, when I was 19. Now, 20+ years later I think I've learned more about the game, and more about my own ego. I can admit when I'm wrong, and I can usually turn a coach back around and head him back to the dug-out without much of an argument. I don't mind people questioning what I've called, my line is personal comments and profanity. Usually if a coach is going to get tossed, he'll regress to those pretty quickly.

When it comes to a call my partner made, I'll do what you say you do, sending him in the direction of my partner. If he continues to complain and argue with me...he looks like the idiot on the field, not me!

[waltjp]

I think you're reading a lot into my post that isn't there. At what point do you react to the coach's complaining? Surely, there must be a point when you've had enough, no?

I don't endorse throwing someone out as soon as they complain. I said that you should direct the coach to the ump who made the call. If the coach still continues to complain to you then you have to deal with it. If that means ejecting him then eject him.

[blueump]

Originally Posted by waltjp

I think you're reading a lot into my post that isn't there. At what point do you react to the coach's complaining? Surely, there must be a point when you've had enough, no?

I don't endorse throwing someone out as soon as they complain. I said that you should direct the coach to the ump who made the call. If the coach still continues to complain to you then you have to deal with it. If that means ejecting him then eject him.

My mistake. I thought you said that "If he continues complaining to you, then you show him the exit." My bad...gotta get my eyes checked now that the season has started.