Coaches outside dugout

[bossman72]

Let's say a coach is sitting on his bucket or chair and it's placed right outside the dugout opening in the fence in LBT.

1) What is the call (if any) if a thrown ball or pitch is prevented from going into DBT because of the coach and/or his seat?

2) What is the call (if any) if a fielder is prevented from catching a foul pop up because he got tangled up with the coach and/or his seat?


Please note FED and OBR differences since both rulebooks aren't too clear on the subject. I know FED has the clause about loose equipment, but would that apply here?

Thanks!

[Justme]

Originally Posted by bossman72

Let's say a coach is sitting on his bucket or chair and it's placed right outside the dugout opening in the fence in LBT.

1) What is the call (if any) if a thrown ball or pitch is prevented from going into DBT because of the coach and/or his seat?

2) What is the call (if any) if a fielder is prevented from catching a foul pop up because he got tangled up with the coach and/or his seat?


Please note FED and OBR differences since both rulebooks aren't too clear on the subject. I know FED has the clause about loose equipment, but would that apply here?

Thanks!

I never have this problem because I do not allow buckets outside of the dugout.

Yeah, no buckets!

If I had a buck for every time I asked them to get them back into the dugout and one of the coaches said "Everybody else lets me do it!".

[Rcichon]

Never let a rat out of its' cage until you have to.

[David B]

Originally Posted by bossman72

Let's say a coach is sitting on his bucket or chair and it's placed right outside the dugout opening in the fence in LBT.

1) What is the call (if any) if a thrown ball or pitch is prevented from going into DBT because of the coach and/or his seat?

2) What is the call (if any) if a fielder is prevented from catching a foul pop up because he got tangled up with the coach and/or his seat?


Please note FED and OBR differences since both rulebooks aren't too clear on the subject. I know FED has the clause about loose equipment, but would that apply here?

Thanks!

Common sense says keep them in the dugout.

But, if the play you described happened because you allowed it ...

1) If it hits the coach you might have a situation (depending on whether you determine it was intentional or not)

2) Same as #1

Now by rule you have options:

I don't have my book but it gives you the option of calling an (out), or returning runners etc.,

But I would only recommend that if you think it interfered with another play or was intentional.

Thanks
David

[Justme]

Originally Posted by rei

"Everybody else lets me do it!".

Favorite coach/player saying.

Monday's game HS varsity tourney, F2, on out of town school, comes out with a skull cap & face mask (my partner had checked their equipment). I tell him he can't use it. "Everybody else lets me use it". Even the coach argued its use with me.

Last nights game (different teams) - F2's dad has painted his helmet and mask combo to match the uniforms....looks great but now I can't see the NOCSAE stamp. I tell him he can't use it. "Everybody else lets me use it". Coach didn't argue this one.

I just love these pre-season HS tourneys..... Coaches/players trying to learn the rules (even at varsity level); working with partners who don't know the difference between an uncaught 3rd strike and a foul; 25-2 ball games. At least the temps are in the 70's - 80's.

Okay, I feel better now....sorry for the thread hijacking

[clips2]

1 is a dead ball and award the 2 bases.
2 is the batter is out for interference by the coach

[UmpJM]

clips2,

What if...

In 1, it was the offensive coach on a bucket outside the dugout entrance

and/or

In 2, it was the defensive coach?

Would this affect your suggested rulings?

JM

[David B]

Originally Posted by clips2

1 is a dead ball and award the 2 bases.
2 is the batter is out for interference by the coach

As Coach JM suggested, this is not so cut and dry.

Might need to rethink this one as it really depends upon intent of those involved.

Looked in my book for a ruling and couldn't find a FED ruling that suggested a dead ball without intent.

OBR is pretty much the same and I believe NCAA even has a ruling to keep it live??

Thanks
David

[clips2]

interference is interference...specially if it is a defefensive coach...how can he argue when he is not allowed on field unless he is requesting time after a play. bucket is not a piece of equipment allowed on field and team has to be responsible for that and take the penalty like a man

[UmpJM]

Hmmm....

So, if I understand you correctly, you would award the defense an out because a defensive coach interfered with a (defensive) fielder's attempt to catch a pop fly.

Groundbreaking ruling, to say the least.

I would very much enjoy being the offensive manager (who was in his dugout, like he was supposed to be, by the way) when you made this call.

JM

[David B]

Originally Posted by clips2

interference is interference...specially if it is a defefensive coach...how can he argue when he is not allowed on field unless he is requesting time after a play. bucket is not a piece of equipment allowed on field and team has to be responsible for that and take the penalty like a man

Now if you could just give me the rule to back up your decision.

Sure the bucket is not supposed to be on the field but it still requires "intent"

Same as with the photograper, kids warming up in live ball territory, etc.,

Thansk
David

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by clips2

interference is interference...specially if it is a defefensive coach...how can he argue when he is not allowed on field unless he is requesting time after a play. bucket is not a piece of equipment allowed on field and team has to be responsible for that and take the penalty like a man

So you're going to reward the defense for screwing up? Interesting concept.

[Old Time Ump]

David B, 9.01c

[RPatrino]

Around here, no buckets are allowed outside the dugouts in HS ball. In Legion, Connie Mack, etc. they do keep them out.

I tell them, if you need to sit outside the dugout, and you interfere, I will penalize your team. So, if you're the offensive team manager sitting on a bucket and your player's batted ball hits you, the batter is out!! If you're the defensive coach and the oppenents throw, batted ball or you get in the way of the play....bases are awarded.

Orrrr...you can keep your butt on the bench, where it belongs. Your choice.