foul tip - rule question

[Justme]

Originally Posted by Daryl H. Long

First lets apply the proper rules as to what should happen.

2-16-1e Foul: A foul ball is a batted ball that touches the ground after being inadvertantly being declared foul by the umpire.

Therefore, by rule, since the ball never touched the ground even though the umpire declared it foul, the ball remains live and a strike is charged to the batter and R1 remains on 2B.

As PU: I know the rule so I will not do this. But if I inadvertantly said foul and then realized my error (either on my own or brought to my attention by partner or either coach) I would call time. I would bring both coaches together and admit my mistake and correct the situation by rule.

If it was my partner who called foul I would call time and confer with him alone. Depending on how experienced he was my words would be a gentle reminder of his role in the situation as BU or a rather silent scolding to keep his mouth shut. (Either way my body language and volume of my voice is such that I do not embarrass my partner. It will look like a normal conference). Then I would bring both coaches together and correct the play.

Apply the same if I was base umpire.

The only FED case book example that comes close to this situation is:

2.16.1 Situation A (Page 16): On a count of 1-ball, 2-strikes, B1 hits a fly ball down the right-field line. While the ball is in the air, the umpire inadvertently declares "foul ball'; (a) F9 catches the ball in flight, (b) the ball falls on the ground in fair territory, (c) the ball falls to the ground in foul territory.
RULING: (a) the batter is out and the ball remains live, (b) and (c) the ball is immediately dead as soon as it touches the ground; the batter returns to bat with a count of 1-2.

[Daryl H. Long]

Originally Posted by Tim C

"You do not start new threads because you have been taken to task for deleting the thread when there are those that disagree with you.

"If you do not know how to find specific rulings to cite in you rules interps them let me know and I will ty to find someone to teach you how to do so.

"For an umpire to be so arrogant that he thinks he is GOD and everyone should accept his interpretation based on who he is, the level of ball he umps, or the number of years of experience he has is unconscionable.

"My only wish is there were three things you would no longer do on message boards. Please add the following to your list:

"3. I will no longer post on message boards. GOODBYE."

It has been so long since I saw a good personal attack this is refreshing. I thought we had all become to civil. Way to go Daryl . . .

If I had feelings they would be hurt.

Regards,

Tim,

Reading my posts you will see I hold myself to the same standard that I believe all others should adhere to.

I realize as umpires we are called upon to offer interpretations of difficult plays but when giving mine I also show the authority to which I base my conclusions on AND give that authority due credit. By the way, I never consider Daryl H. Long to be the Authority nor do I ever give him credit.

My authority is the rule book to pertinent to the level or code the game is bieing played under. If this is a NFHS baseball game then my authority is NF baseball rule book. If an NCAA game then NCAA Rule book.

By what authority do you base your interpretations on?