Is bailing a checked swing?

[Dave Hensley]

Originally Posted by GarthB

1. The method advocated by rei has been taught at several NCAA level camps I have attended. You may think that it "sucks" if you'd like, but it is one that is used by many at that level. The method I learned from Evans was to judge by the motion of the body, not the bat. I'm sure that "sucks", too.

2. I know rei. I know he has not exaggerated the level of ball he works.

3. I am highly amused reading posts attempting to correct or educate rei written by some who have not and will not reach the level he works.

4. I am equally amused by some who have posted elsewhere, "If I go to my partner right away, he gives me what he has, but if I hesitate or repeat my call, he damn well better give me what I have"; but now insist they would never expect a certain response.

5. Welcome aboard, rei.

So Garth, are you endorsing rei's practice of telling his partners how he expects them to judge whether a batter checked a swing?

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by Dave Hensley

So Garth, are you endorsing rei's practice of telling his partners how he expects them to judge whether a batter checked a swing?

I think some here have misread rei's post. He didn't say he would tell his partners what to say, or what "give him" when he comes to them. That remains their judgment. What he said was when working with "weaker" partners, (and since rie continues to work HS, I take this as meaning inexperienced partners) he provides a method to help them determine if the half swing was an offer or not.

I have no problem mentoring inexperienced umpires by teaching them a technique. If they decide, down the road, when they have more experience, to choose a different method, that's fine, but teaching them a particular method is appropriate.

I see no reason for anyone on this board to take affront at this. Most here, including you, Dave, would be recognized by rei as not needing such instruction. Littleboyblue and dannyboy would benefit from it.

Originally Posted by GarthB

I think some here have misread rei's post. He didn't say he would tell his partners what to say, or what "give him" when he comes to them. That remains their judgment. What he said was when working with "weaker" partners, (and since rie continues to work HS, I take this as meaning inexperienced partners) he provides a method to help them determine if the half swing was an offer or not.

I have no problem mentoring inexperienced umpires by teaching them a technique. If they decide, down the road, when they have more experience, to choose a different method, that's fine, but teaching them a particular method is appropriate.

I see no reason for anyone on this board to take affront at this. Most here, including you, Dave, would be recognized by rei as not needing such instruction. Littleboyblue and dannyboy would benefit from it.

Thank you for the tropical welcome Garth.

I think the above post explains my position. I am encouraged that you followed what I have posted so far, understood it, and offered your take on my behalf to those that seem to have misunderstood where I am coming from.

I am looking around, but still can't find the queen bee!

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by rei

Thank you for the tropical welcome Garth.

I think the above post explains my position. I am encouraged that you followed what I have posted so far, understood it, and offered your take on my behalf to those that seem to have misunderstood where I am coming from.

I am looking around, but still can't find the queen bee!

No real queen here. Some pretenders, lots of workers and more than our share of drones.

Originally Posted by GarthB

No real queen here. Some pretenders, lots of workers and more than our share of drones.

I see! If I know umpires very well, I am sure that everybody feels that they should be queen though!

Garth, I got to thinking that possibly you might have me confused with my Dad? He worked PAC 10 North way back when, and seems to be known by everybody in our region.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by rei

I see! If I know umpires very well, I am sure that everybody feels that they should be queen though!

Garth, I got to thinking that possibly you might have me confused with my Dad? He worked PAC 10 North way back when, and seems to be known by everybody in our region.

I know of your dad, but you and I have met at a clinic/camp and I continue to hear good things about you.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by rei

I see! If I know umpires very well, I am sure that everybody feels that they should be queen though!

Garth, I got to thinking that possibly you might have me confused with my Dad? He worked PAC 10 North way back when, and seems to be known by everybody in our region.

I'd rather be a drone.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

I'd rather be a drone.

Interesting aspiration.

I'd rather be a worker.