south carolina??

[Clint Lawson]

Is South Carolina the only state that does not have the appeal play in high school baseball??

[DG]

What exactly do you mean? What does SC have regarding appeal?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by DG

What exactly do you mean? What does SC have regarding appeal?

The "old" FED rule where the umpire simply declares the runner out at the end of action when he misses a base or leaves too soon.

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by Clint Lawson

Is South Carolina the only state that does not have the appeal play in high school baseball??

If you are speaking of when in a FED game, we called the runner out (for missing a base) without an appeal, the FED changed that rule several years ago. We have to wait for a proper appeal (similar to OBR) from the defense.

Cheers
Ozzy

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

If you are speaking of when in a FED game, we called the runner out (for missing a base) without an appeal, the FED changed that rule several years ago. We have to wait for a proper appeal (similar to OBR) from the defense.

Cheers
Ozzy

Yes, the FED changed the rule, but SC still uses the old rule for some reason.

[lawump]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Yes, the FED changed the rule, but SC still uses the old rule for some reason.

The reason is that the assistant executive director for baseball likes the old "no appeal" rule.

None of us (umpires) have any idea how to apply this rule in the event we have a time-play issue. Normally, on a time play you would see what happens first (1) the live-action appeal or (2) the other runner crossing the plate.

What do we do? Do we wait to call the other runner out for missing the base to allow the run to score? Or do we call him out immediately and not allow the run.

They really haven't thought this thru. If it ever arises on my field, I'll use my "common sense".

[SanDiegoSteve]

Lawump,

My question now is, how is it possible that some "assistant" (there's that ugly word again!) director of a state association can overrule a rule from the rule book which is not subject to change by state adoption? It seems to me that this is being done surreptitiously, and should be ruled invalid.

[lawump]

I don't know how they can. I know nothing of the NFHS's rules and procedures.

[DG]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Lawump,

My question now is, how is it possible that some "assistant" (there's that ugly word again!) director of a state association can overrule a rule from the rule book which is not subject to change by state adoption? It seems to me that this is being done surreptitiously, and should be ruled invalid.

The War of Northern Agression began at Fort Sumter in SC and SC still flys the confederate flag over the state capital building so it's not surprising they have chosen not to adopt the revised NFHS rule on this subject. I wonder if there is anyone in SC who cares what they think in Indianapolis.

[Thom Coste]

Originally Posted by lawump

The reason is that the assistant executive director for baseball likes the old "no appeal" rule.

None of us (umpires) have any idea how to apply this rule in the event we have a time-play issue. Normally, on a time play you would see what happens first (1) the live-action appeal or (2) the other runner crossing the plate.

What do we do? Do we wait to call the other runner out for missing the base to allow the run to score? Or do we call him out immediately and not allow the run.

They really haven't thought this thru. If it ever arises on my field, I'll use my "common sense".

Just in case you don't recall, the old "no appeal" rule was enforced "at the end of playing action."

So, yes, you wait for the runners to finish running, you wait for the defense to stop attempting to make any plays on the runners, then you call the out for the baserunning infraction. If you think about it, the timing is just about the same as a normal appeal would be, maybe a little bit sooner. Remember, too, that even under the "no appeal" rule, the defense could make a live ball appeal (and an "accidental appeal") by tagging the base or the baserunner during playing action.