Arguing balls and strikes

[Carl Childress]

Originally Posted by Justme

I don't remember seeing that question on the 2005/2006 test.

I didn't say it was an automatic ejection. I said that I'd warn them then and if they continued I would eject them.

So Carl, what do you do to prevent it from happening if you don't eject them?

How many trips to the plate to argue balls/strikes do you allow? How about team captains, do you allow them to argue balls/strikes? And the other players? Do the FED rules specifically state that they can’t argue balls/strike?

I'm obviously not making myself plain.

How do I keep them from arguing balls and strikes? Well, to start with, I don't miss many pitches. The most a coach might say is, on his way to the third base box: "How far is he missing?" I'm not kidding.

But I teach other umpires what to do.

Stay with me, now: If you're an average umpire (and most umpires are average 'cause that's what "average" means) and the coach comes (leaves his position) to bark about balls and strikes: Throw the bum out!

I don't recall anyone saying the umpire should allow that nonsense.

But in an NFHS game, if he wants to give the coach a chance to shut up and behave, he may do so in the sure and certain knowledge that he is NOT ignoring a rule.

I hope I've clarified this.

In OBR, you MUST eject.
In NFHS, you don't have to unless you want to.

Obviously, you've a "want to" guy.

My feeling: If I have to stay out there in that heat, hs's gonna stay, too.

[Justme]

Originally Posted by Carl Childress

I'm obviously not making myself plain.

How do I keep them from arguing balls and strikes? Well, to start with, I don't miss many pitches. The most a coach might say is, on his way to the third base box: "How far is he missing?" I'm not kidding.

But I teach other umpires what to do.

Stay with me, now: If you're an average umpire (and most umpires are average 'cause that's what "average" means) and the coach comes (leaves his position) to bark about balls and strikes: Throw the bum out!

I don't recall anyone saying the umpire should allow that nonsense.

But in an NFHS game, if he wants to give the coach a chance to shut up and behave, he may do so in the sure and certain knowledge that he is NOT ignoring a rule.

I hope I've clarified this.

In OBR, you MUST eject.
In NFHS, you don't have to unless you want to.

Obviously, you've a "want to" guy.

My feeling: If I have to stay out there in that heat, hs's gonna stay, too.

Now I see.....we are in agreement.

I was under the impression that you, along with LDUB, said that the coach was allowed to question balls and strikes.

Like yourself, I do not miss many pitches, but that doesn't stop some coaches from thinking that you have. From their angle they might think that they saw something other than what the pitch acutally was, but you know that. If they ask me, in passing, where their F1 is missing or how far is he missing I'll tell them (but F2 has probably provided him with that info already).

But what LDUB eluded to in his post (#22, 33 & 38) was that the coach is allowed to leave their position/dugout and come out to the plate to "question balls and strikes." If they do I'll warn them once and then if they ignore my warning you're right I become a "want to" guy. 'Obviously' the coach that ignores my warning has become a "want to" be ejected guy.

Maybe I'm a "don't want to" guy......I don't want to put up with their BS