Mets/Cards - Spiezio Triple

[D-Man]

Welke "nails" the call and from that we gather we need replay in baseball?!?

Seems more like the play and call say they don't need replay. Those guys are that good.

Bad example.

D

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by D-Man

Welke "nails" the call and from that we gather we need replay in baseball?!?

Seems more like the play and call say they don't need replay. Those guys are that good.

Bad example.

D

So far, only Dave has suggested rethinking replay. I, for one am dead-set against the use of replay, as I'm sure most umpires are.

On this play, from my great positioning and angle I had from 3,000 miles away on a TV set, I thought originally that it was a home run until I saw the replay.

[PeteBooth]

[QUOTE=SanDiegoSteve]So far, only Dave has suggested rethinking replay. I, for one am dead-set against the use of replay, as I'm sure most umpires are.

I am not so sure anymore.

Every BIG Time Sport has replay and it's a matter of time before baseball uses it. especially on the type of play in question.

Replay will not delay the game anymore than when the umpires huddle together. In fact it will probably be faster.

Pete Booth

[GoodwillRef]

[QUOTE=PeteBooth]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

So far, only Dave has suggested rethinking replay. I, for one am dead-set against the use of replay, as I'm sure most umpires are.

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

I am not so sure anymore.

Every BIG Time Sport has replay and it's a matter of time before baseball uses it. especially on the type of play in question.

Replay will not delay the game anymore than when the umpires huddle together. In fact it will probably be faster.

Pete Booth

I agree that we should have replay and only for plays such as home run/no home run and fair/foul calls? I am not advocating using it for judgement calls.

[GarthB]

[QUOTE=GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by PeteBooth

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I agree that we should have replay and only for plays such as home run/no home run and fair/foul calls? I am not advocating using it for judgement calls.

Those are judgement calls.

[mbyron]

Garth, *snicker*, you slay me.

Baseball will have replay when a sufficient number of wealthy owners get sufficiently pissed by bad calls to bring it about. I don't see this happening very soon.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Baseball will have replay when a sufficient number of wealthy owners get sufficiently pissed by bad calls to bring it about. I don't see this happening very soon.

I've had a former ML player tell me that when Angel Hernandez boots a fair/foul call that costs Steinbrenner the World Series, instant replay will debut the next season.

[GoodwillRef]

[QUOTE=GarthB]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

Those are judgement calls.

You know what I mean I don't think it should be used for out/safe or ball/strike type of calls. You guys take everything so literally. Fair/foul, homerun/no homerun, fan interference, those types of situations.

[umpduck11]

[QUOTE=GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by GarthB

You know what I mean I don't think it should be used for out/safe or ball/strike type of calls. You guys take everything so literally. Fair/foul, homerun/no homerun, fan interference, those types of situations.

It's a slippery slope from fair/foul to ball/strike.

[GarthB]

[QUOTE=GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by GarthB

You know what I mean I don't think it should be used for out/safe or ball/strike type of calls. You guys take everything so literally. Fair/foul, homerun/no homerun, fan interference, those types of situations.

No, I didn't know what you meant. I didn't know if you knew what you meant. I knew what you wrote.

I am not familiar with you as a poster or as an umpire, and I do not know what you do or do not understand.

Okay, let's take fair/foul situations Will this include whether or not the ball might have hit the batter in the box after hitting the bat and before rolling "fair"? Or do you need to further refine this judgement call?

[Dave Hensley]

[QUOTE=GarthB]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

Those are judgement calls.

He should have said "those calls that are traditionally considered to be reversible calls" instead of "judgment calls."

[waltjp]

Originally Posted by PWL

I'm just curious as to why the fence and back wall are so close at Shea. Also why there is no yellow line at the top of the fence either.

The wall behind the fence isn't really that close - probably 5 feet or so separate them. The camera angle made it look much closer than it really is.

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by PWL

I'm just curious as to why the fence and back wall are so close at Shea. Also why there is no yellow line at the top of the fence either.

They should ALL be like that, and most of the HR controversies would go away.

[Dave Hensley]

Originally Posted by D-Man

Welke "nails" the call and from that we gather we need replay in baseball?!?

Seems more like the play and call say they don't need replay. Those guys are that good.

Bad example.

D

The conference lasted WAY too long, and it was clear that Welke was defending his call against one or more partners who had the same WRONG conclusion about what happened that many of us had seeing the play in realtime. But for Welke's intestinal fortitude in sticking to his guns, we would have been treated to a reversal of the right call to the wrong call, clearly wrong as the whole world had seen numerous replays by the time they finally concluded their minutes long conference.

A couple of years ago Tim McClelland very surprisingly and very WRONGLY overturned an Angel Hernandez call in a playoff game. I'm sorry, but sometimes these guys AREN'T "that good."

[D-Man]

Originally Posted by Dave Hensley

The conference lasted WAY too long, and it was clear that Welke was defending his call against one or more partners who had the same WRONG conclusion about what happened that many of us had seeing the play in realtime. But for Welke's intestinal fortitude in sticking to his guns, we would have been treated to a reversal of the right call to the wrong call, clearly wrong as the whole world had seen numerous replays by the time they finally concluded their minutes long conference.

A couple of years ago Tim McClelland very surprisingly and very WRONGLY overturned an Angel Hernandez call in a playoff game. I'm sorry, but sometimes these guys AREN'T "that good."

OK, now you are trying to justify a bad reason for replay and giving another bad reason for replay. Whether McClelland was accurate or innacurate is moot. He made a procedural error and should have been penalized for it. Because he is who he is and Angel is who he is, Timmy got away with his overturn.

Also, the fact that they got together and stuck with Welke's call, no matter how long it took, shows that a human umpire is able to get the tough ones correct once in a while.

If Spezio had been a robot, he would have left no doubt as to wheter he hit a home run or not.

D