More confrentation issues...

[TussAgee11]

Originally Posted by DG

You don't say what level ball this was, but no matter, I generally head off problems like this by calling a pitch above the belly button a strike, because it is.

I also don't call coaches out of the dugout to have a converstation with them about anything, and I would never say Please or Thank You during the short discussion.

I also don't talk with fans in the parking lot who want to b*tch.

What if she's standing in front of your car door when you want to get in it?

No choice, what I said was with the intent of getting in my car ASAP.

I don't feel bad about the parkinglot thing. I found it funny that I gave her MY email adress. Will make for a funny reading tomarrow morning.

As for the please or thankyou thing, I've been critizized by members of this board and partners for being too confrentational. Maybe this time I was too nice?

Thanks DG for the input... I'll store it in the brain for next time!

[DG]

Originally Posted by TussAgee11

What if she's standing in front of your car door when you want to get in it?

As for the please or thankyou thing, I've been critizized by members of this board and partners for being too confrentational. Maybe this time I was too nice?

You certainly don't seem too confrontational in this case. I would have ripped my mask off and told the coach to "stop it now coach", or any similar 4word phrase. Anything else is too much discussion.

I generally go to the trunk first, to remove my plate gear and while doing this I go to the back door to get a soda out of the cooler I have on the floorboard. The only time I have ever opened the driver side door and got in and drove off with full gear on it was raining like heck. However, is she is still there when I am ready to leave I would ask her to move so I can get in the car. That would probably be my first words to her, and most likely she has left by then. I probably would be decent enough to not remove my cup while she is still there.

By the way, what kind of games were these?

[TussAgee11]

USSSA 12 year olds....

this is why I like it when I get assigned to the older boys, this s*** don't happen in those games...

But the same guy assigns them all and for fall ball, its the only stuff thats around. And he rotates us all around.

So this weekend was my turn to babysit

Its actually not bad ball minus the uptight coaches and crazy parents.

[DG]

Originally Posted by TussAgee11

USSSA 12 year olds....

this is why I like it when I get assigned to the older boys, this s*** don't happen in those games...

But the same guy assigns them all and for fall ball, its the only stuff thats around. And he rotates us all around.

So this weekend was my turn to babysit

Its actually not bad ball minus the uptight coaches and crazy parents.

Call a bigger zone in these games, not as high as the shoulder, but at least 6 inches above the belly button. I have also been called a low strike umpire, but nobody complains they just adjust. It's the hollow beneath the knee thing so I call it.

Be more generous with strikes at this level and the games will move faster, ("he's going to call that pitch every time Johnny, you have to swing the bat"), and there will be no stalkers in the parking lot.

[TussAgee11]

Originally Posted by DG

Call a bigger zone in these games, not as high as the shoulder, but at least 6 inches above the belly button. I have also been called a low strike umpire, but nobody complains they just adjust. It's the hollow beneath the knee thing so I call it.

Be more generous with strikes at this level and the games will move faster, ("he's going to call that pitch every time Johnny, you have to swing the bat"), and there will be no stalkers in the parking lot.

What if you got a hard throwing kid... the batter will never be able to hit a good fastball at the letters... its just not fair to the batter in my mind.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by TussAgee11

What if you got a hard throwing kid... the batter will never be able to hit a good fastball at the letters... its just not fair to the batter in my mind.

So let me get this straight: you call the strike zone by the book and age- and league-appropriate, and you get outs faster, and that's UNFAIR? To whom? Do you think umpires ought to ensure as many hits as possible in the game? Do you adjust your strike zone to every different kind of pitcher so that batters have a better shot at 'em?

[DG]

Originally Posted by TussAgee11

What if you got a hard throwing kid... the batter will never be able to hit a good fastball at the letters... its just not fair to the batter in my mind.

So if a hard thrower throws a changeup knee high on the inside corner on an 0-2 count you call that a ball too, because it's not fair to the batter? Be fair to the pitcher. Any part of the ball goes through any part of the zone and it's a strike. That makes the zone about 2 inches bigger on all sides and particularly for 12's.

Now I know what the b*tch was b*tching about. You have a hitter bias. Any chance her son was a pitcher, or catcher?

A good fastball above the belly button should be MEAT to a good 12 year older hitter. Call it if they don't swing at it. Coach of the offensive team will be hollering "you gotta crush that pitch Johnny".

A pitch at the letters is too high on most uniforms.

[rookieblue]

"Ma'am, I have only one woman in this world that I have to listen to and she is waiting at home for me right now!" I excused myself and drove off leaving her standing there.

Oh . . . my. With your permission, Ozzy, that one goes in the permanent file.

[TussAgee11]

Originally Posted by DG

So if a hard thrower throws a changeup knee high on the inside corner on an 0-2 count you call that a ball too, because it's not fair to the batter? Be fair to the pitcher. Any part of the ball goes through any part of the zone and it's a strike. That makes the zone about 2 inches bigger on all sides and particularly for 12's.

Now I know what the b*tch was b*tching about. You have a hitter bias. Any chance her son was a pitcher, or catcher?

A good fastball above the belly button should be MEAT to a good 12 year older hitter. Call it if they don't swing at it. Coach of the offensive team will be hollering "you gotta crush that pitch Johnny".

DG, yes, I will call a good changeup that passes through the strike zone a strike, no matter where it is.

If the age group is at the age where kids can throw hard, then inches above the belly button should not be a stike (with respect to the distance they are away from the plate, 65mph at 50 feet is throwing pretty hard)

A good fastball above the belly button is not "MEAT" to any hitter. And its not a strike in accordance with USSSA baseball rules which uses the MLB book.

If you want to go by the book, don't call it a strike. Thats the fairest thing to do, no?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by TussAgee11

What if you got a hard throwing kid... the batter will never be able to hit a good fastball at the letters... its just not fair to the batter in my mind.

12 year olds? Why ISN'T that a strike?

[bossman72]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

12 year olds? Why ISN'T that a strike?

Agreed. Kids this age have a hard time getting it OVER the plate, let alone in that bread-box zone. IMO, my zone is a little taller for that age group than my varsity.