Balk

[SanDiegoSteve]

The best thing about the CW is that they brought back Just Legal, starring Don Johnson, which is a terrific show. The WB had dropped it unceremoniously after only 4 episodes, when they had 13 in the can. It was brought back, no doubt, by popular demand. We had a very popular thread at the WB forum dedicated to bringing the show back.

[Sal Giaco]

Originally Posted by Carl Childress

Then buy the BRD!

I already bought a copy back in 02. But since I only work NCAA ball and I've been trained on OBR, I really don't have a need to get the latest edition. Sorry

[Carl Childress]

Originally Posted by Sal Giaco

I already bought a copy back in 02. But since I only work NCAA ball and I've been trained on OBR, I really don't have a need to get the latest edition. Sorry

But you weren't trained very well in the OBR, else you would have known the pitcher can throw to a base to make an appeal while still in contact with the rubber.

The BRD has 346 official interpretations, 256 of which relate to NCAA or OBR.

[Sal Giaco]

Originally Posted by Carl Childress

But you weren't trained very well in the OBR, else you would have known the pitcher can throw to a base to make an appeal while still in contact with the rubber.

You got me on that one!!!

[tjones1]

An interesting stat they gave was that in Andy Pettitte's career, he's only been called for five balks. Four of them have been called by Angel Hernandez.

[Dave Hensley]

Originally Posted by tjones1

An interesting stat they gave was that in Andy Pettitte's career, he's only been called for five balks. Four of them have been called by Angel Hernandez.

If the other three Angel called were for failing to step towards 1B when throwing there, then Angel probably got those right. Pettitte does that BIG TIME, but of course gets away with it routinely.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Dave Hensley

If the other three Angel called were for failing to step towards 1B when throwing there, then Angel probably got those right. Pettitte does that BIG TIME, but of course gets away with it routinely.

Just what I was going to say.

[Carl Childress]

Originally Posted by Dave Hensley

If the other three Angel called were for failing to step towards 1B when throwing there, then Angel probably got those right. Pettitte does that BIG TIME, but of course gets away with it routinely.

I don't understand the problem. The structure of the game puts a premium on being left-handed.

We used to say that left-handers "cheat." They don't; they simply take advantage of the way the game was designed.

[bossman72]

Originally Posted by Dave Hensley

If the other three Angel called were for failing to step towards 1B when throwing there, then Angel probably got those right. Pettitte does that BIG TIME, but of course gets away with it routinely.

As i've said before- balks in MLB are treated like travelling in the NBA- it's just not called.

Then you get the rat coaches saying to us "but i saw So and So do it on TV last night, and it didn't get called... you shouldn't have called that balk... blah blah blah"

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by Carl Childress

I don't understand the problem. The structure of the game puts a premium on being left-handed.

We used to say that left-handers "cheat." They don't; they simply take advantage of the way the game was designed.

I don't know, Carl. Pettitte's move to first has always looked to me like starts a motion to the plate first.


Tim.

[Carl Childress]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

I don't know, Carl. Pettitte's move to first has always looked to me like starts a motion to the plate first.


Tim.

I'm not arguing that his move is legal. I'm just saying it's a left-handed game.

[Dave Hensley]

What I'm saying is that, on his pickoff move, Pettitte's free foot lands north of the midpoint between 1B and the plate, and therefore, by professional interpretation of "steps directly towards the base he's throwing to," Pettitte frequently balks on that move. Lefties with good moves generally tend to push the edge of the envelope; Pettitte takes it farther, and gets away with it.

I expect those who are agreeing with me are seeing the same thing. It's not just a lefty thing, it's a Pettitte thing.

[BigUmp56]

The problem I've seen in his move is not so much where he lands his free foot, but that he starts it toward home every so slightly before he steps to first.


Tim.

[SAump]

Originally Posted by PWL

Why would that present a problem?

It wouldn't present a problem unless AH is behind the plate.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by PWL

Why would that present a problem?

It is a balk if a pitcher:

2. Commits to pitch but fails to do so.

b. Set Mode: The pitcher is committed to pitch when, after coming set*, he shows movement toward home plate. Such movement includes leaning his body toward home plate, and beginning or rotating his free leg toward home plate.

I'm always glad to help you two.


Tim.