balk

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

It's dead when the catcher catches the baseball, as mentioned a few times higher in the thread.

Unless of course, it's ball four with first base occupied.

[mbyron]

The problem with allowing F2 to throw down is precisely that something like the OP might happen: ball gets away from whoever is covering 2B, and the runner heads down to 3B. Now you have to kill it and enforce the balk (since the batter did not reach 1B), which means sending that runner BACK to 2B.

So I agree: call time when F2 gloves the pitch.

Also an argument for really using your lungs to call balks...

[PWL]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Unless of course, it's ball four with first base occupied.

Why would the ball not be dead when the catcher catches the ball. All you simply is do ignore the balk since all runners advance.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by PWL

Why would the ball not be dead when the catcher catches the ball. All you simply is do ignore the balk since all runners advance.

Since when is the ball dead when you ignore a balk? If you are ignoring the balk since all runners advance on ball four, then the ball remains alive. What makes you think the ball is dead because of ball four???

[PWL]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Since when is the ball dead when you ignore a balk? If you are ignoring the balk since all runners advance on ball four, then the ball remains alive. What makes you think the ball is dead because of ball four???

Because the first four words in the penalty read THE BALL IS DEAD.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by PWL

Because the first four words in the penalty read THE BALL IS DEAD.

8.05 Penalty The ball is dead, and each runner shall advance one base without liability to be put out, unless the batter reaches first on a hit, an error, a base on balls, a hit batter, or otherwise, and all other runners advance at least one base, in which case the play proceeds without reference to the balk.


Tim.

[PWL]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

8.05 Penalty The ball is dead, and each runner shall advance one base without liability to be put out, unless the batter reaches first on a hit, an error, a base on balls, a hit batter, or otherwise, and all other runners advance at least one base, in which case the play proceeds without reference to the balk.


Tim.

FYI. It's like a penalty flag in football. You just pick it up and stick it in you back pocket. There is nothing wrong with calling "TIME" the instant the catcher gloves the ball in this situation. Go back and read the post by bossman 72 on page 1. Perhaps the pitch was a check swing.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by PWL

FYI. It's like a penalty flag in football. You just pick it up and stick it in you back pocket. There is nothing wrong with calling "TIME" the instant the catcher gloves the ball in this situation. Go back and read the post by bossman 72 on page 1. Perhaps the pitch was a check swing.

If the balk is followed by a pitch that is caught by the catcher, call "Time" the moment the catcher catches the ball. Then enforce the balk. (Note exception in ball four situations covered in item (5) below.

(5)If the balk is followed by ball four delivered to the batter and is caught by the catcher, call "Time" and enforce the balk unless all runners advance one base because of ball four. In that situation, play proceeds without reference to the balk.

Notice the exception. You do not call time on ball four when runners are forced due to the batter becoming a runner. To do so would be playing the 10th man on defense should a runner attempt to advance beyond the base to which he was forced. Do you call time every time the catcher wants to throw the ball back to the pitcher? I'm not arguing with you. I'm merely pointing our you're wrong in your interpretation.



Tim.