LL Bat Question

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by LilLeaguer

Sorry for the public message, but you seem to have PM turned off.

Given a situation where a protest is imminent, the facts are not in dispute, and it's about player eligibility, I think the umpire has three choices:

1. He should feel required to know the rules and communicate them before the offending play happens (LL)
2. If he knows the rules, the most he would do is communicate them before the offending play happens (BU)
3. He shouldn't know the rules, and he certainly shouldn't communicate them. (RF)

In my judgement, positions 1 and 2 are almost in agreement, at least when compared with 3. That is all I was saying.

Okay, I stand corrected. It's not your reading skill that's impaired. It's your reading comprehension skills that's impaired. BU did not state #2 as you claim. At least is his post above, nowhere does he say "IF" the umpire knows the rule. All he says is that they (umpires in his association) would advise of the rule.

Unless you are running for opffice, it's always better form to not change the statement you are debating.

[BigUmp56]

Thank you, Garth. Let me give you an example of how a potentially protestable situation should be handled by an umpire.

Coach of team A decides to enter Little Snot Nosed Billy in the top of the third inning. He brings the changes to the umpire who in turn gives the change to the coach of team B. B-coach looks at the name of the substitute and informs the umpire-in-cheif that the sub is ineligible because he was ejected in their last game and now has to serve a one game suspension. Now, the umpires duty is to go to coach A and inform him that the other team feels the sub in ineligible, explaining why, and that's it. The umpire isn't going to look for an ejection report or look over the book from team A's last game. He's not going to get involved beyond letting them know the player is potentially ineligible. If the coach of team A feels his player is eligible and goes ahead and enters him, the other coach needs to lodge a protest in the book, and we get the game going.

This is from the LLRIM.

Little League officials are urged to take precautions to prevent protests. When a protest situation is imminent, the potential offender should be notified immediately.


Tim.

[LilLeaguer]

Originally Posted by GarthB

Okay, I stand corrected. It's not your reading skill that's impaired. It's your reading comprehension skills that's impaired. BU did not state #2 as you claim. At least is his post above, nowhere does he say "IF" the umpire knows the rule. All he says is that they (umpires in his association) would advise of the rule.

Unless you are running for opffice, it's always better form to not change the statement you are debating.

You are, of course, correct. I was careless, and I apologize to Tim and you.

With your correction, I still believe that point 1 and position 2 are more in agreement than position 1 is with position 3.

(I could make an argument that adding the phrase didn't alter the logical value of the statement, but you have already rejected my mathematics credentials, so it would be a WoBW. And, of course, you were right.)