LL Bat Question

[SAump]

Things would be different if it leads to an unfair advantage. Those manufacturers make a ton of money on baseball. MLB and LL are in business to make money and these rules are made with other financial reasons in mind and can change on whim over time. A six year old girl may want to place a decal on her helmet to differentiate her helmet from all the others. I wouldn't concern myself with MOST of the fine print. She still has to reach first base. I can't wait for those high STIRRUP socks and white cleats to make a comeback. I think it would lower some of the current MLB ERA's. Did you see Pedro cry the other day?

[SanDiegoSteve]

Nobody said that a laminated bat is a painted bat.

Laminated bats are not allowed. Bats painted by the consumer are not allowed. The rule doesn't mean that you can't use a bat painted at the factory. Some people do paint their bats with regular old paint, right from the can. That is what the rule is prohibiting. That's why the rule said that colored bats are legal. They were painted at the factory, and therefore legal.

[LLPA13UmpDan]

Originally Posted by PWL

All bats do not come from the factory. If you mean the factory to be a little independent bat maker that works out of their garage. I know of at least three people that turn bats.

Are you referring to paint or stain? No one paints their bats at the "factory". They stain them. They can use a clear stain. I simply gave the definition of what is a laminated bat. When was the last time you ruled a bat illegal for a "paint job"? Probably never.

we are talking about "factory", the makers of the bat. Meaning its done before it ever hits the shelves.

[BigUmp56]

Well, he doesn't speak for all umpires working LL, I can tell you that. I don't know of any of the umpires in the LL association I belong to that would subscribe to his ideaology. If a situation were to arise where a question about a players eligbility needed to be addressed the most we would do is advise them of the appropriate rule. I'm not checking birth certificates any more than I would do a freaking cup check.



Tim.

[LilLeaguer]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

Well, he doesn't speak for all umpires working LL, I can tell you that. I don't know of any of the umpires in the LL association I belong to that would subscribe to his ideaology. If a situation were to arise where a question about a players eligbility needed to be addressed the most we would do is advise them of the appropriate rule. I'm not checking birth certificates any more than I would do a freaking cup check.

Tim.

We almost agree. I think the Little League umpire should advise the manager of the appropriate rule; you admit that an umpire might do so.

I explicitely don't think that umpires should be checking birth certificates or cups.

And, of course, I don't speak for anybody but myself, though I'm relaying rules and responsibilities straight from the Little League book.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by LilLeaguer

We almost agree. I think the Little League umpire should advise the manager of the appropriate rule; you admit that an umpire might do so.

I explicitely don't think that umpires should be checking birth certificates or cups.

And, of course, I don't speak for anybody but myself, though I'm relaying rules and responsibilities straight from the Little League book.

Good Lord, you can't read.

What you said: "I think the Little League umpire should advise the manager of the appropriate rule; you admit that an umpire might do so."

What BU really said: "If a situation were to arise where a question about a players eligbility needed to be addressed the most we woulddo is advise them of the appropriate rule."

You have done the impossible. You got me to defend BU.

[LilLeaguer]

Originally Posted by GarthB

Good Lord, you can't read.

What you said: "I think the Little League umpire should advise the manager of the appropriate rule; you admit that an umpire might do so."

What BU really said: "If a situation were to arise where a question about a players eligbility needed to be addressed the most we woulddo is advise them of the appropriate rule."

You have done the impossible. You got me to defend BU.

Sorry for the public message, but you seem to have PM turned off.

Given a situation where a protest is imminent, the facts are not in dispute, and it's about player eligibility, I think the umpire has three choices:

1. He should feel required to know the rules and communicate them before the offending play happens (LL)
2. If he knows the rules, the most he would do is communicate them before the offending play happens (BU)
3. He shouldn't know the rules, and he certainly shouldn't communicate them. (RF)

In my judgement, positions 1 and 2 are almost in agreement, at least when compared with 3. That is all I was saying.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

Well, he doesn't speak for all umpires working LL, I can tell you that. I don't know of any of the umpires in the LL association I belong to that would subscribe to his ideaology.

Am I the only one here that knows that LilLeaguer is a woman?

[briancurtin]

thats news to me

[SanDiegoSteve]

Yes, and it's twice I've mentioned it now.

[LilLeaguer]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Am I the only one here that knows that LilLeaguer is a woman?

I think I signed a few of my earliest posts Lil, but to the extent that it matters, or that you should believe a stranger on the internet, I'm:

Russ Paul-Jones (M)

[umpduck11]

Originally Posted by LilLeaguer

I think I signed a few of my earliest posts Lil, but to the extent that it matters, or that you should believe a stranger on the internet, I'm:

Russ Paul-Jones (M)

How strange......she has male names.

[SAump]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Am I the only one here that knows that LilLeaguer is a woman?

Or are you making up this crap? Sorry, I lost my water laughing so hard.

[Dave Hensley]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Am I the only one here that knows that LilLeaguer is a woman?

I noticed he used feminine pronouns in one of his post, speaking of a hypothetical umpire. I guess you saw that post as well and assumed that made him a woman. It appears that is not the case.

[jxt127]

Saw a lot of wood bats this weekend in a youth tournament.

Black, brown, ash. Even one with tape wrapped all around the barrel. Of course there were a lot less bats left at the end of the tournament than at the start.