LL Bat Question

[LilLeaguer]

Originally Posted by LLPA13UmpDan

Tim C, im sick you. Stay out of my threads unless u have something that answers my question. I over-looked that section by mistake, not knowing thats where it would be, after it makes no sense really where they put it, "objectives of the game". after all, the "rules" are not there. Should have a section on approved equipment. anyhow, Good-bye now, delete your post, as a matter of fact, account please

If I may make some suggestions, but first some background.

Hardly anybody here is exclusively a Little League umpire, even though Little League probably has more umpires than any other baseball organization in the United States. In any case, while the folks here would rather discuss the arcane NFHS FPSR (which even highly professional and fearsome High School Varsity Managers sometimes don't understand) or the NCAA DH rule (which, I'm afraid, even God might not understand), they know they are in danger of being swamped out by Little League questions. Since many of them are very basic (instead of the intracacies of runner's interference as a recent thread discussed) as well, you'll find a certain resistance to them on this forum.

• Post LL-specific questions over at umpire.org. The Small Diamond forum discusses those issues, can certainly answer the basic questions (like where to find Rule 1.10). In fact, some of the posters here also frequent that board. Now, I do sometimes post questions here, but I try to frame them in terms of the interests and experience of most of the posters.
• Don't answer questions, unless you have experience that bears on the answer. Nothing is more frustrating (and you can see it all the time) than an answer to an OBR (MLB) rules situation with a NFHS (Fed) rule. Well, a Little League answer to just about any question seems to be more frustrating in this forum.
• Be respectful and gracious. Respectful means that you do your research thoroughly before posting, and gracious means that you thank folks for pointing out information you didn't know before, like when Tim pointed out that Rule 1.00 has important information.
• What to do about the bullies? I don't really know, but I know that antagonizing them often ends in threads being locked or even deleted. (Apparently, the innocuous statement that "some umpires suck" becomes "specific posters suck," and that way lies harsh moderation.) In any case, back and forth insults don't really accomplish anything but lowering the signal-noice ratio even further.

Of course, you are free to do what you want with this advice. If you want to keep this forum as a resource in your learning, though, you may want to make some changes.

[Jurassic Referee]

Gentleman, I am shocked......shocked, I tell ya......at the reception that you people have given LittleLeagueDan.

From his posts, I have deduced that Dan is but fifteen years of age. Well, I'm here to tell you that with Dan's obvious intelligence, enthusiasm and wisdom, I am sure....nay, certain....that one day Dan has a excellent chance of being sixteen.

Carry on.

[LMan]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Well, I'm here to tell you that with Dan's obvious intelligence, enthusiasm and wisdom, I am sure....nay, certain....that one day Dan has a excellent chance of being sixteen.

Nah, I'm taking the under

[PeteBooth]

Now, I do sometimes post questions here, but I try to frame them in terms of the interests and experience of most of the posters.

I joined this late but IMO your aforementioned statement is not true.

What TEE and others are trying to tell you is this.

Do some homework first.

Since Dan is young let's put it in his terms. He has an English class and he was told to read Shakespear's Hamlet. The next day the teacher comes in and starts asking questions about Hamlet. Some teachers pick at random.

The teacher asks Dan some basic questions about the play and Dan stays silent.

The first question from the teacher will be "Dan did you read the play"

That is all that is being done here. No-one has a problem answering questions to try and help someone but when it's apparent that an individual didn't take the time to read, that is what annoys people.

Here's an example of a valid question after reading the OBR rule-book. B1 grounds to F6, beats the play but misses first base.

Question? does the runner have to be tagged to be put out or can F3 simply make a valid appeal and step on the bag.

Answer: It depends upon the type of action ie; Relaxed vs. Unrelaxed.

One will not find those terms in the rule-book , hence a valid question.

Therefore, to sum up IMO posters here will answer anything even if they are not particularly interested in the subject matter, but they also do not want to get "hosed" either when it's apparent that someone does not want to do home-work ala when we get FED test questions posted on this site to help someone past the test without reading the rule / case book.

Pete Booth

[LilLeaguer]

Originally Posted by PeteBooth

Now, I do sometimes post questions here, but I try to frame them in terms of the interests and experience of most of the posters.

I joined this late but IMO your aforementioned statement is not true.

What TEE and others are trying to tell you is this.

Do some homework first.

Since Dan is young let's put it in his terms. He has an English class and he was told to read Shakespear's Hamlet. The next day the teacher comes in and starts asking questions about Hamlet. Some teachers pick at random.

The teacher asks Dan some basic questions about the play and Dan stays silent.

The first question from the teacher will be "Dan did you read the play"

That is all that is being done here. No-one has a problem answering questions to try and help someone but when it's apparent that an individual didn't take the time to read, that is what annoys people.

Here's an example of a valid question after reading the OBR rule-book. B1 grounds to F6, beats the play but misses first base.

Question? does the runner have to be tagged to be put out or can F3 simply make a valid appeal and step on the bag.

Answer: It depends upon the type of action ie; Relaxed vs. Unrelaxed.

One will not find those terms in the rule-book , hence a valid question.

Therefore, to sum up IMO posters here will answer anything even if they are not particularly interested in the subject matter, but they also do not want to get "hosed" either when it's apparent that someone does not want to do home-work ala when we get FED test questions posted on this site to help someone past the test without reading the rule / case book.

Pete Booth

LilLeaguer made the quoted remark above as advice to LLDan. From your response, it's not clear if you made the distinction.

LLDan is the young umpire that posts LL questions on this board. I'm the woman who just annoys the heck out of people, apparently. You are free to judge that my questions are not of general interest (though you made a thoughtful response to my last one), of course.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by LilLeaguer

LLDan is the young umpire that posts LL questions on this board. I'm the woman who just annoys the heck out of people, apparently.

Quite an androgenous "person," aren't you? I guess I'll just call you "Pat."