MLB foul ball overturned.....

[kylejt]

.....and you guys are still talking about Little League?!

If a crew did this in Williamsport, you guys would be having a field day. Admit it.

[JRutledge]

Could you describe the situation?

Peace

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Could you describe the situation?

Peace

From MLB.com............


"Then came the controversy. David Wright, who was hitless in his last 25 at-bats against lefties entering Monday's game, hit a chopper down the third-base line that third-base umpire Randy Marsh initially called foul. After a conference among the umpires, home-plate umpire Angel Hernandez signaled that the ball had struck the bag and was fair. Beltran scored, Wright had broken his streak with the single and, after Phillies manager Charlie Manuel was ejected for arguing, the Mets were on their way to another win."


Tim.

[JRutledge]

Well they got it right, right?

I thought this is what everyone wants. They have to get it right under all circumstances.

Is this not what Windy and many others have suggested is the right thing to do?

Peace

[BigUmp56]

I don't know if there were other runners, Jeff. If there weren't I would agree that they did the right thing. If there were I'm not so sure there's a precedent for reversing the call of "foul" in this instance. It may very well have deprived the defense of an opportunity to get an out.


Tim.

[JRutledge]

I do not know how you can overturn a foul ball call. The defense could have still made an out and the runners could have advanced to more bases.

Oh well. They got it right I guess.

Peace

[socalblue1]

IMO the only thing the crew coud/should do (CSFP) would be to treat it like umpire int. Put BR on 1B and advance any runner forced.

Of course it IS MLB and Angel is involved ....

[mcrowder]

I saw this play. To me, this was a HORRIBLE precedent to set.

There WERE runners on the bases. The ball hit the back left corner of third base and bounded diagonally into foul ground. It was rather obvious, even before replay, but U3 gave some sort of half dead-ball, half SAFE!, with a little Incomplete Pass thrown in signal.

Based on where the ball bounded, there was no chance for an initial out - but who knows what else might have happened. To me, this was an obviously unringable bell, which was nonetheless unrung. Awful, just awful. Can't believe Manuel didn't protest, as I think it's pretty clear in OBR that you can't unring the foul bell unless it's a ball hit out of play (HR, GRD).

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Chris_Hickman

I think that the only reason it was changed is because after the ball hit the bag, it went way into foul ground and there was no way in hell that the defense was going to get an out. ........ I hear ya...when you call foul...it's foul. The Indians skipper knew it hit the bag, but of coarse he is gonna get ran just on principle. With R1 and R3, the call didn't get too far away that the R1 would have made it to 3rd and the BR to 2nd. Everyone just moved up 90'. I probually would have changed it too, with those circumstances. Chris

Manuel is with the Phillies now. He hasn't been with the Indians in a few years.

And as a Phillies fan, I wish they'd let Cholly go as soon as possible. He's horrible.

[mbyron]

As a baseball fan, I wish they'd let Angel go as soon as possible...

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

I saw this play. To me, this was a HORRIBLE precedent to set.

There WERE runners on the bases. The ball hit the back left corner of third base and bounded diagonally into foul ground. It was rather obvious, even before replay, but U3 gave some sort of half dead-ball, half SAFE!, with a little Incomplete Pass thrown in signal.

This is why I hate the "Get it Right" community that tells us that we should always get together on these kinds of plays. To me this is the ultimate why this philosophy has a lot of holes. Even if runners were not on base, you take away the chance for other things to happen. If you call a dead ball, it should be a dead ball. For the record, NF rules makes it clear if you have a foul ball called by the umpire (when the ball hits the ground), you still have a foul ball. If this happen in a HS game under NF rules, they would have broken the rules. I have no idea at this time if NF or NCAA specifically addresses this.

Peace

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Well they got it right, right?


Peace

Not from the replays I've seen.

Angel F-up again.

[LakeErieUmp]

I could have sworn that I have read on this boarh if an umpire (1) has gone to a pro school and (2) is union he is infallible.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by LakeErieUmp

I could have sworn that I have read on this boarh if an umpire (1) has gone to a pro school and (2) is union he is infallible.

You don't even need to make it to MiLB to be infallable. Just go to a pro school or even attend the Arizona Classic and the sun rises and sets in your calls.


Tim.

[LakeErieUmp]

OR be a coach sitting at the far end of the first base dugout and you can make every call at both third base and the plate!