LL guys only-illeagal pitch-ball?

[LLPA13UmpDan]

In Junior/Senior/Big League, if there is no one on base, and the pitcher does something like start and stop his windup w/ out delievering the pitch, does it count as a ball, or nothing if a pitcher does that with no one on?

[UmpJM]

Dan,

For JR/SR/Big League, the only two illegal pitches defined are:

1. Delivering a pitch while not in contact

2. A "quick return" pitch

just as in OBR. As in OBR, these are both balks with one or more runners.

The "ball for what is normally a balk" only applies to Majors and below, and it only applies there when there ARE one or more runners.

JM

[ctblu40]

I don't have a rulebook on me, but I know that OBR this is nothing. I assume the same in Jr/Sr/BL.

Remember that stopping the delivery is only an illegal act with runners on base.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by LLPA13UmpDan

In Junior/Senior/Big League, if there is no one on base, and the pitcher does something like start and stop his windup w/ out delievering the pitch, does it count as a ball, or nothing if a pitcher does that with no one on?

Do you not have a Little League rulebook?

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

Do you not have a Little League rulebook?

I think we're witnessing real LLWS material here.

[bluezebra]

Is an illeagal a sort of sick bird?

Bob

[LLPA13UmpDan]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

Do you not have a Little League rulebook?

i cant find it

[SanDiegoSteve]

It's nothing. Don't call it a ball. Just let the pitcher start over.

[UmpJM]

Originally Posted by bluezebra

Is an illeagal a sort of sick bird?

Bob

Bob,

I believe he would have said "illeagle" if that's what he meant.

Originally Posted by LLPA13UmpDan

i cant find it

Dan,

Where was it the last time you saw it? And just when was that?

Oh, wait a minute. You're not my kid. Sorry.

If you were to send me a PM that included your "regular" e-mail address, I might be able to help you "find" it. Then you wouldn't have to ask embarrassing questions like this in a public forum.

Just a thought.

JM

[Chukinrox]

If there is no EXACT rulign on a pitcher stoppign his motion wit hno runners on, they why do anything? Does a pitcher stoppign his motion give the defense any sort of advantage? NO. So leave him be and allow him to begin his motion again.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Chukinrox

If there is no EXACT rulign on a pitcher stoppign his motion wit hno runners on, they why do anything? Does a pitcher stoppign his motion give the defense any sort of advantage? NO. So leave him be and allow him to begin his motion again.

Because there are rulesets where this is an illegal pitch and IS a ball.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

Because there are rulesets where this is an illegal pitch and IS a ball.

Yes, like in FED. Which we have already debated ad nauseum in this forum. I personally have never called it, nor has any partner in any of my HS games called it. It's one of those "rules."