Working with a bad partner.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by scott1231

If it's an umpire that I think is not ready for upper-level games, I'll always give a Bad News Sandwich.

Now you went and made me hungry, thanks a lot!

[chris21]

A$$ handed to me a decade ago. I pull no punches, nor sugarcoat anything. Had one kid remember an ejection of mine from 4 years ago at the collegiate level, tells me "that was great umpiring", none of the other guys would have the balls.This is NOT rocket science, that clown on the video clip that has a tizzy fit after he gets it right, WOW!!!!!!!!! If I f-up, let me know.....I sure will reciprocate the same

[pdxblue]

Originally Posted by chris21

A$$ handed to me a decade ago. I pull no punches, nor sugarcoat anything. Had one kid remember an ejection of mine from 4 years ago at the collegiate level, tells me "that was great umpiring", none of the other guys would have the balls.This is NOT rocket science, that clown on the video clip that has a tizzy fit after he gets it right, WOW!!!!!!!!! If I f-up, let me know.....I sure will reciprocate the same

Sort of my sentiments too.

I have had guys come back to me much later and thank me, even though at the time they hated my guts for leveling with them.

If you don't feel comfortable busting a guys chops, then don't. For ME, it is helpful to hear even about the little things I do wrong, or what my partner doesn't like. I may not agree with him now, but down the road, I might "get it".

I wish more guys would have leveled with me early in my umping career.

With newer umpires, I give a LOT of details about what I seen them doing that was wrong. With older guys that should know better, I hold back a bit. Generally, in their 5-6th year, they will show signs of wanting to go to the next level. With those that do, I try to help as much as I can. If the don't seem to want to get better, I won't give them anything, except maybe a ration of crap if they really blew some plays.

[LMan]

After games with a new guy, I usually just ask, "do you want some feedback?" Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. I respond accordingly.

[Old Time Ump]

In the original comment, it was implied that the 'bad partner' did not miss any calls or cause the other umpire to miss any. That should be factored in before deciding what one does about his other failings and flaws. I assume the discussion is about amateur work. In the past in professional ball, mechanics and mannerisms have been subordinate considerations to getting the calls right. Alas, that is changing, too.