Foul Ball (not tips) Concussions

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by SAump

If both masks offer the same quality of protection, then there is no reason to wear a HSM. Put it away and wear BASEBALL equipment.

I think you are too hung up on the H in HSM. They are only "styled" after hockey goalie masks, not actually hockey goalie masks. If they were hockey masks, you would not have the wide opening in front of the eyes, there would be bars there, as a hockey puck would get right through otherwise.

Should we tell all the catchers who have switched to helmets to put theirs away and go back to the cap and mask?

I may wear a cap and mask again, but I sure like my helmet when working the rec center style wraparound backstops, where getting hit by fast rebounds in the back of the head are commonplace, not rare.

[Kaliix]

Again, another discussion on HSM was not my point. Your statement, however begs the question, did you read the "The obvious indisputable part is that they (HSM) offer protection on the top and sides unlike traditional masks" part.

I don't mind a discussion but get the facts right.

Originally Posted by SAump

If both masks offer the same quality of protection, then there is no reason to wear a HSM. Put it away and wear BASEBALL equipment.

[kylejt]

I got a concussion after two foul balls in one inning wearing a +POS SUL mask.

For me, the helmets are too loud. Loud when you get hit, but really loud when I make my calls. I now only use it when I work with a backstop that goes over my head. If you've ever taken a ball off the button on the top of your hat, you'd understand.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Kaliix

Again, another discussion on HSM was not my point. Your statement, however begs the question, did you read the "The obvious indisputable part is that they (HSM) offer protection on the top and sides unlike traditional masks" part.

I don't mind a discussion but get the facts right.

Whether or not there is a piece of plastic does not automatically make the helmet safer.

You said this was not about the helmet vs. mask debate, but every post you are defending the use of a helmet and claiming the helmet is safer. Sounds like you are trying to have the debate from where I am standing.

Peace

[LMan]

Originally Posted by Dave Hensley

Another classic from our resident nihilist.

We are all just Dust in the Wind (tm).

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by LMan

We are all just Dust in the Wind (tm).

"You're my boy, Blue! You're my boy."

[Kaliix]

I really wasn't trying to make this a debate about the HSM vs traditional masks as anyone who has been paying attention to the previous threads will know that most minds are not going to be changed on this issue. I was only responding to those who chose to ignore some blatantly obvious facts.

That being said, Jeff are you some kind of idiot? The masks that umpires wear that are styled after hockey goalie masks are designed to provide protection from the impact of objects at high speeds, baseballs at 70 to 100 mph depending on the level of ball, or bats. Calling the material it is made out of plastic is a bit disingenuous, as my materials college instructor would say, because there are literally thousands of different kinds of plastic, all with varying capabilities in regards to a multitude of material characteristics.

The plastic, as you call it, is specifically designed for maximum impact protection. It has "plastic" foam padding behind specifically designed to disperse and absorb impact. Said plastic covers the entire head, unlike a traditional mask which only gives protection to the front of the head.

While you may not like HSM, and that is absolutely fine by me, I refuse to let you or others spread untruths about them, because I am happy and satisfied user who sees the obvious addtional benefits from wearing them.

Stay with the traditional mask, but don't tell me that the HSM are not inherently safer. I saw the MLB umpire take a shattered bat against the side of his head last weekend. He absolutely would have been better protected had he been wearing a HSM. That fact that he wasn't is his personal preference and doesn't diminish his choice one bit. But facts are facts.

I've had balls come whizzing back by my head from short backstops and know that if they caught my noggin, I'd see stars and have a nice lump. So I choose to wear a HSM.

Please stay with your traditional mask. Just don't tell me the HSM's aren't safer because you are flat out wrong.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Whether or not there is a piece of plastic does not automatically make the helmet safer.

You said this was not about the helmet vs. mask debate, but every post you are defending the use of a helmet and claiming the helmet is safer. Sounds like you are trying to have the debate from where I am standing.

Peace

[ctblu40]

Originally Posted by Kaliix

While you may not like HSM, and that is absolutely fine by me, I refuse to let you or others spread untruths about them, because I am happy and satisfied user who sees the obvious addtional benefits from wearing them.

I've heard that they cause male pattern baldness.... is this true?

[bluezebra]

Foul Ball (not tips) Concussions

There is absolutely no way a catcher can get a concussion from a foul tip. The only injury would be if he caught the ball with his bare hand.

Bob

[Kaliix]

Yeah I know. That was in reference to the article constantly referring to foul balls as foul tips.

Kinda like when baseball announcers call them RBI's. It just irks me. It is not Runs Batted Ins!

Originally Posted by bluezebra

Foul Ball (not tips) Concussions

There is absolutely no way a catcher can get a concussion from a foul tip. The only injury would be if he caught the ball with his bare hand.

Bob

[Kaliix]

Is that what happened to all my hair...

Originally Posted by ctblu40

I've heard that they cause male pattern baldness.... is this true?

[bluezebra]

Originally Posted by Kaliix

Yeah I know. That was in reference to the article constantly referring to foul balls as foul tips.

Kinda like when baseball announcers call them RBI's. It just irks me. It is not Runs Batted Ins!

When using the initials, RBIs is proper. Try saying RsBI.

Bob

[JRutledge]

I love how when people do not have a larger point, they have to start name calling because they cannot find the words to back up their point.

If you want to wear a mask, why would anyone but you care?

All I asked for was a comprehensive study or some kind of to back up your claim. Remember you are talking about concussions, not over all protection. All you have are a couple of stories and opinions. Now with my background you need some kind of study to back up the claims of the safety features of a helmet.

For the record I have done many games where I have been hit with a baseball around the 90 mph. I have had my masked knocked completely off. I have never received one concussion or had any ill effects from a ball or bat hitting the mask. It would be dumb to conclude that because "I" have not had any problems, others could not experience their own problems. I am also sure the type of mask used would be a factor. I am sure the padding would also be a factor and even the type of bars that the masks use. Guys get hurt in football all the time and there are no 90-100 mph balls flying at them. I am sure there are multiple factors as to why people get concussions and getting hit on the head with a bat. Helmet or no helmet the situations you described might still result in a concussion. It is called analytical thinking. I am not going to draw a conclusion based on some story that someone "believes" they were hurt because of wearing a certain kind of equipment. Any educated person can think of many facets that might cause a health problem.

It sounds to me like this helmet is like a new girlfriend that you found and you keep talking about her as if the rest of us cannot see her. We can come to our own conclusions as it if your woman is hot or not, we do not need you telling us all the time. You like the helmet, we get it already!!!

Peace

[Kaliix]

Jeff, you know I really try to believe that you are not as dumb as you act sometimes and then you come back with this.

For the record, I did not call you any names in my previous post. I asked you a question. That question has now been answered and I am now absolutely calling you an idiot. At least now you can be offended for the right reason. It's rare that I "name call" but I am making an exception in this case.

You are either a troll or an idiot incapable of having a legitimate argument based on facts.

I already stated in a previous post that HSM vs traditional masks are about equal when it comes to protecting against a concussion. The two firms hired by the Giants organization say as much. I could get into the minutiae of looking at the test data but I trust that with the amount of money a major league club has both at stake and to spend, that the two independent tests, which both reach the same conclusion, are accurate.

It should have been obvious that we are talking about HSM being safer because they cover the entire head. Bats and ball can and have hit the head in places that traditional masks do not protect. Additionally, I remember someone relaying a story about a traditional mask spinning around after a foul ball and giving a cut requiring four stitches. Granted a somewhat freak occurence, but it happened.

A HSM protects more of the head, period. It is safer for that reason. Do or don't wear one, I don't give a flying farg, but get you facts straight! Jeez!

More to the point, we need to be aware that whatever mask we wear (as they both protect equally well in this case), we can be subject to a concussion from multiple blows. That was my original point.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I love how when people do not have a larger point, they have to start name calling because they cannot find the words to back up their point.

If you want to wear a mask, why would anyone but you care?

All I asked for was a comprehensive study or some kind of to back up your claim. Remember you are talking about concussions, not over all protection. All you have are a couple of stories and opinions. Now with my background you need some kind of study to back up the claims of the safety features of a helmet.

For the record I have done many games where I have been hit with a baseball around the 90 mph. I have had my masked knocked completely off. I have never received one concussion or had any ill effects from a ball or bat hitting the mask. It would be dumb to conclude that because "I" have not had any problems, others could not experience their own problems. I am also sure the type of mask used would be a factor. I am sure the padding would also be a factor and even the type of bars that the masks use. Guys get hurt in football all the time and there are no 90-100 mph balls flying at them. I am sure there are multiple factors as to why people get concussions and getting hit on the head with a bat. Helmet or no helmet the situations you described might still result in a concussion. It is called analytical thinking. I am not going to draw a conclusion based on some story that someone "believes" they were hurt because of wearing a certain kind of equipment. Any educated person can think of many facets that might cause a health problem.

It sounds to me like this helmet is like a new girlfriend that you found and you keep talking about her as if the rest of us cannot see her. We can come to our own conclusions as it if your woman is hot or not, we do not need you telling us all the time. You like the helmet, we get it already!!!

Peace

[Kaliix]

When abbreviating, the singular or plural are abbreviated the same way. That is why you go 60 mph, not 60 m'sph.

That is why technically it is RBI.

Originally Posted by bluezebra

When using the initials, RBIs is proper. Try saying RsBI.

Bob