Little League umpire in the regionals

[WhatWuzThatBlue]

Exactomundo, mon frere...the fact that your evaluation form contains many provisions for analyzing accepted performance of duties says it all. Why not stand in the "C" position for all calls at first? There is a reason why certain mechanics are taught. For this example, the plate umpire needs to have his right hand empty to make calls correctly.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by WhatWuzThatBlue

Exactomundo, mon frere...the fact that your evaluation form contains many provisions for analyzing accepted performance of duties says it all. Why not stand in the "C" position for all calls at first? There is a reason why certain mechanics are taught. For this example, the plate umpire needs to have his right hand empty to make calls correctly.

I've always wondered why outs MUST be called with the right hand. If an umpire takes his mask off with his right hand and punches a runner with his left hand, what harm would it do, other than get traditionalist umpires' panties in a knot?

I'm left handed and have called outs with my right hand since I started umpiring since I was told "that's how you do it." I eject people with my left hand, though

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

I've always wondered why outs MUST be called with the right hand. If an umpire takes his mask off with his right hand and punches a runner with his left hand, what harm would it do, other than get traditionalist umpires' panties in a knot?

I'm left handed and have called outs with my right hand since I started umpiring since I was told "that's how you do it." I eject people with my left hand, though

Do you have to transfer the mask to your right hand to give your ejection mechanic?

[Tim C]

Where to start???

Garth thanks for the excellent "real world" example. I remember that we spoke about this exact play when it happened.

My position on removing the mask with either hand is based on moving the mask EVENUTALLY (and that is almost immediately) to the left hand. We know that more than one MLB umpire over the years have signalled "out" with the left hand but I still believe in some uniformity.

Rich's point is extremely important -- there is NO REASON (other than a trained uniformity) that out be called with the right hand.

WWTB, I know what ALL schools teach but I still say, even in light of Garth's example, that the hand is insignificant and IF you evaluate an umpire's performance by this "skill" then it is silly.

Mr. Hensley, we KNOW what is taught at professional umpire schools, clinics, camps and weekend outings. Professional school also teaches umpires to be a-holes to skippers, robots in Short A ball and to be ready to work for peanut wages. Not all those things are "good things". I have never said anywhere that teaching to remove a mask with only the left hand is silly . . .

Also, I am proud to say, that after my shoulder reconstruction and TWO rotator cuff surgeries that I am yet again able to follow the whims of teaching and remove my mask with my LEFT hand. While I was guilty of removing my mask with my RIGHT hand (both hands actually) while going through rehab I have joined the thousands that now do it, yet again, "correctly."

SDS, I left you for last:

I think you would freely admit that people learn in different ways. We also know that people teach in different ways.

While even working one man games "could" teach some it is probably the WORST way for young umpires to "progressively" learn.

The same goes for working Sub-Varsity games. Rather than argue with you about whether a sub-varsity game or varsity game has "more pressure" I will simply intone that they both have "pressure" for an umpire -- just different types of pressure.

SDS wrote:

"Too good (perceived self-image only) to work youth ball."

Steve I ask you the following:

"Why should I work a level of baseball and a system that I find morally bankrupt, reprehensible in concept and nothing more than an extension of parental desire?

"Why should I work a level of baseball "just to work that level"? -- umpires all over the Nation select to work "Certain" levels and not work others . . . your socialistic view of assignment and umpiring scares me."

SDS also wrote:

"Tee, from reading your posts this past year, I can tell that you really do fit the cliche of "you start out perfect, and improve from there.""

Please remember that I am not the umpire that entered the Umpire Message Board community and intoned that "had I gone to umpire school I would now be an MLB umpire."

I am not the umpire that CONTINUALLY reminded us that because of "life style descisions" decided to not pursue a professional umpire career but still has the ability to work that level of ball.

And Steve, (like I told Dale Scott, Gary Darling and Jim Joyce the other night), I don't "drop the names" of MLB umpires all the time.

In closing Steve, I do believe I eject with my left hand . . . is that also a training weakness? How many demerits is attached?

Regards,

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Tim C

Mr. Hensley, we KNOW what is taught at professional umpire schools, clinics, camps and weekend outings. Professional school also teaches umpires to be a-holes to skippers, robots in Short A ball and to be ready to work for peanut wages. Not all those things are "good things". I have never said anywhere that teaching to remove a mask with only the left hand is silly . . .

AMEN!!!!

Peace

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

AMEN!!!!

Peace

I am sorry to hear that WWTB has been ailing but, here we have the other side of the coin. Whilst he was gone, we did not have JRut around, either.

Theory: JRut and WWTB are the same person.

Joe

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

I am sorry to hear that WWTB has been ailing but, here we have the other side of the coin. Whilst he was gone, we did not have JRut around, either.

Theory: JRut and WWTB are the same person.

Joe

Nope.

I did not go to pro school. I have never worked a minor league baseball game, nor have worked minor leagues at one time. Umpiring baseball is not my life. I do not play golf. I also have not been away for over a month in a half. I also have a little more soul.

Peace

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Tim C

Where to start???

Garth thanks for the excellent "real world" example. I remember that we spoke about this exact play when it happened.

My position on removing the mask with either hand is based on moving the mask EVENUTALLY (and that is almost immediately) to the left hand. We know that more than one MLB umpire over the years have signalled "out" with the left hand but I still believe in some uniformity.

Rich's point is extremely important -- there is NO REASON (other than a trained uniformity) that out be called with the right hand.

WWTB, I know what ALL schools teach but I still say, even in light of Garth's example, that the hand is insignificant and IF you evaluate an umpire's performance by this "skill" then it is silly.

Mr. Hensley, we KNOW what is taught at professional umpire schools, clinics, camps and weekend outings. Professional school also teaches umpires to be a-holes to skippers, robots in Short A ball and to be ready to work for peanut wages. Not all those things are "good things". I have never said anywhere that teaching to remove a mask with only the left hand is silly . . .

Also, I am proud to say, that after my shoulder reconstruction and TWO rotator cuff surgeries that I am yet again able to follow the whims of teaching and remove my mask with my LEFT hand. While I was guilty of removing my mask with my RIGHT hand (both hands actually) while going through rehab I have joined the thousands that now do it, yet again, "correctly."

SDS, I left you for last:

I think you would freely admit that people learn in different ways. We also know that people teach in different ways.

While even working one man games "could" teach some it is probably the WORST way for young umpires to "progressively" learn.

The same goes for working Sub-Varsity games. Rather than argue with you about whether a sub-varsity game or varsity game has "more pressure" I will simply intone that they both have "pressure" for an umpire -- just different types of pressure.

SDS wrote:

"Too good (perceived self-image only) to work youth ball."

Steve I ask you the following:

"Why should I work a level of baseball and a system that I find morally bankrupt, reprehensible in concept and nothing more than an extension of parental desire?

"Why should I work a level of baseball "just to work that level"? -- umpires all over the Nation select to work "Certain" levels and not work others . . . your socialistic view of assignment and umpiring scares me."

SDS also wrote:

"Tee, from reading your posts this past year, I can tell that you really do fit the cliche of "you start out perfect, and improve from there.""

Please remember that I am not the umpire that entered the Umpire Message Board community and intoned that "had I gone to umpire school I would now be an MLB umpire."

I am not the umpire that CONTINUALLY reminded us that because of "life style descisions" decided to not pursue a professional umpire career but still has the ability to work that level of ball.

And Steve, (like I told Dale Scott, Gary Darling and Jim Joyce the other night), I don't "drop the names" of MLB umpires all the time.

In closing Steve, I do believe I eject with my left hand . . . is that also a training weakness? How many demerits is attached?

Regards,

Well, I don't have the time or inclination to separate all the quotes, so I'll just say this:

When I said "perceived self-image only," I wasn't referring to you personally.

The remark about you starting out perfect and improving from there refers to you starting out working Varsity baseball right out of the chute. Had you been in San Diego back in, what was it, 1968(?) you would have not gotten a sniff of Varsity ball for several years at best, and then you would have been given the lower divisions only. I have received a very detailed history of our famed San Diego County association, and it wasn't real pretty. You didn't just walk in and declare yourself an umpire, as it appears you did when you started out. That is all I meant by that.

Yes, I do feel that if I had pursued a career in pro ball, I had a good chance of making it. That didn't work out, which is totally my fault. I'm not blaming my decision on anyone but me. I also freely admit that I am in no way qualified to umpire pro ball now, but only from an experience and physical shape standpoint, and for no other good reason. Hell, I'm 50 now, and have no false illusions of a career in baseball. I'm very happy with what I've accomplished, and I don't care if anyone thinks I've accomplished anything or not. I am happy with what I've done, and that's all that counts.

I don't drop the names of MLB umps all the time, just when I am making a point, or they come up in a discussion. I can't help it that I've worked with some and that one is a long-time instructor with my group. I will try to refrain from overuse of their names in the future, just for you!

All I was asking Rich is if he transferred the mask to his right hand to eject. I was asking a question, not questioning which hand to eject with. As far as I'm concerned, you can eject with your foot in the coach's a$$ if it floats your boat.

Steve

[WhatWuzThatBlue]

For those who care, I have been gone because I recently discovered a problem with these old bones. Suffice to say, don't ignore your annual physical or when you have to get up many times at night. While some may be jubilant at the news, the doctors are not giving me the news I had hoped for. Whatever happens, I will try to maintain my dignity and impart what I can when I can.

Now twice written regarding the recent topic - do whatever you want. If you are comfortable taking your mask off with your right hand and then transferring it, go for it. I thought that the purpose of this board was to correct mistakes and steer amateur umpiring towards a more professional (meant in only the best way) style. Evaluations are based on performance and appearance, when it comes down to selecting the staff for big games, those in the know usually choose those who conform to standards. While I can certainly call an out with my left hand and it hurts no one, I was taught differently and know better.

The one caveat to removing your mask with your left hand - if you have a debilitating injury that prevents this action, choose what suits your safety and comfort. I suppose I could come up with a supporting rationale for every alternative mechanic, but I will yield to the Secretary on this one. 'Tis no point arguing proper mechanics when the board already recognizes why it is accepted. Promotions are won and lost by small mistakes.

[ctblu40]

Originally Posted by WhatWuzThatBlue

For those who care, I have been gone because I recently discovered a problem with these old bones. Suffice to say, don't ignore your annual physical or when you have to get up many times at night. While some may be jubilant at the news, the doctors are not giving me the news I had hoped for. Whatever happens, I will try to maintain my dignity and impart what I can when I can.

Now twice written regarding the recent topic - do whatever you want. If you are comfortable taking your mask off with your right hand and then transferring it, go for it. I thought that the purpose of this board was to correct mistakes and steer amateur umpiring towards a more professional (meant in only the best way) style. Evaluations are based on performance and appearance, when it comes down to selecting the staff for big games, those in the know usually choose those who conform to standards. While I can certainly call an out with my left hand and it hurts no one, I was taught differently and know better.

The one caveat to removing your mask with your left hand - if you have a debilitating injury that prevents this action, choose what suits your safety and comfort. I suppose I could come up with a supporting rationale for every alternative mechanic, but I will yield to the Secretary on this one. 'Tis no point arguing proper mechanics when the board already recognizes why it is accepted. Promotions are won and lost by small mistakes.

Sorry to hear about you're physical state... I'll pray for you.

This post is possibly the most rational I've read in a while. Well stated WWTB!

[PABlue]

Poor Steve everyone picks on him.

[WhatWuzThatBlue]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

I've always wondered why outs MUST be called with the right hand. If an umpire takes his mask off with his right hand and punches a runner with his left hand, what harm would it do, other than get traditionalist umpires' panties in a knot?

I'm left handed and have called outs with my right hand since I started umpiring since I was told "that's how you do it." I eject people with my left hand, though

As was written earlier, why should we wear blue shirts and grey pants?
- let's be free thinkers and wear short shorts and tube tops!

Why call 'Safe' with two arms outstretched?
- maybe we can just flipoff the opposing coach to let him know his team blew it.

Come on, Rich...I've been gone for a month and a half and things couldn't have fallen apart here that fast. Baseball is America's pasttime - full of a myriad of traditions - some of which govern the arbiters. We make strides to improve outdated conventions, but there is no upside to having your mask in your hand when you have to make the dramatic punch out. Unless of course, you have a bat in your left hand at the same time.

[midtnblu]

Originally Posted by WhatWuzThatBlue

Exactomundo, mon frere...the fact that your evaluation form contains many provisions for analyzing accepted performance of duties says it all. Why not stand in the "C" position for all calls at first? There is a reason why certain mechanics are taught. For this example, the plate umpire needs to have his right hand empty to make calls correctly.

Are you filling that evaluation out with your left hand, because in this association we only accept evaluations filled out with right hand.

[WhatWuzThatBlue]

Originally Posted by midtnblu

Are you filling that evaluation out with your left hand, because in this association we only accept evaluations filled out with right hand.

Probably because no one in their right minds would think it is acceptable to tolerate laziness or creative umpiring. I know a few lefties - nice folks and all - I just wouldn't want them living next door

[lawump]

Originally Posted by WhatWuzThatBlue

Probably because no one in their right minds would think it is acceptable to tolerate laziness or creative umpiring. I know a few lefties - nice folks and all - I just wouldn't want them living next door

Oh, come now! These last 20 or so posts should have convinced you that left is right!!