Tournament Ejection Penalty?

[pdxblue]

Originally Posted by TussAgee11

PDX - don't you have a problem when they insert somebody that was not on the original lineup card? If they didn't write his name down to start, I doubt any DA or TD would let them play, much less an umpire.

Re-read my post.

If the name is on the roster he gives me, I will let them play. Any coach who will put a disqualified player on his roster then play him deserves to forfeit the game if it is appealed later.

BUT, none of that is MY concern!!! I have other more importand things to deal with on the field than to follow who is disqualified and who isn't.

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by pdxblue

Re-read my post.

If the name is on the roster he gives me, I will let them play. Any coach who will put a disqualified player on his roster then play him deserves to forfeit the game if it is appealed later.

BUT, none of that is MY concern!!! I have other more importand things to deal with on the field than to follow who is disqualified and who isn't.

I would much rather prevent a bag from being filled with crap than to have one dumped in my lap.

If you KNOW a player is ineligible and you do nothing, you are helping the team break the rules. Why help them make a mockery of the game?

Furthermore, I would eject any coach that placed a disqualified player on the lineup card if he did so knowingly. That is a CLEAR example of unsportsmanlike behavior.

Joe

[BigUmp56]

I agree with the LL policy on protests. This is a situation I would most definetly try to head off before it became a problem.


NOTE 2: All Little League officials are urged to take precautions to prevent protests. When a protest situation is imminent, the potential offender should be notified immediately.

Example: should a manager, official scorer, league official or umpire discover that a pitcher is ineligible at the beginning of a game, or will become ineligible during the game or at the start of the next inning of play; the fact should be brought to the attention of the manager of the team involved. Such action should not be delayed until the infraction has occurred.


Tim.

[mcrowder]

I find myself in the odd position of supporting pdxblue and disagreeing with washburn. Odd.

JW - any issues regarding player eligibility need to be handled completely outside the fences and completely before the game. We are handed rosters to start the game. If there's an ineligible player on that roster, it is certainly not the umpire's job to fix or even bring up. If the coach wants to add a player to that roster midgame, it depends on the ruleset you're playing under - some allow, some don't. The umpire needs to simply follow the rules here.

As to the TD reinstating this player DURING the game, that was a poor call. I can see him reinstating before the game or even after the game. But depending on what this player does for his team, it could very well be that the opposing coach made certain decisions based on the fact that this player was not eligible. It's entirely unfair to change that during the course of a game.

If the coach felt like he had a case for reinstatement, he needed to handle it in a timely manner so that it could be decided before gametime.

[TussAgee11]

PWL - I must have misunderstood your post. Any disqualification of a player should be handled before the game, by TD or DA. What I was referring to was a TD or DA coming up to me during the game and telling me that so and so needs to be put on the lineup card, and become eligible. If he wasn't on there to start, I have a problem with simply sticking him on there.

If the player was DQ'd, but still put on the lineup by the manager, not my problem. I agree with you and mcrowder.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by TussAgee11

PWL - I must have misunderstood your post.

Who.......?

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

I find myself in the odd position of supporting pdxblue and disagreeing with washburn. Odd.

Disagreeing with me? Poor choice, very poor choice.

JW - any issues regarding player eligibility need to be handled completely outside the fences and completely before the game. We are handed rosters to start the game. If there's an ineligible player on that roster, it is certainly not the umpire's job to fix or even bring up.

I agree to a certain extent. If I suspect an ineligible player, I would do as you say.

However, what if i know a player is ineligible, I should just let the cheaters play on?

If I KNOW a coach is breaking the rules and I do nothing then I am his accomplice.

Joe

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

Disagreeing with me? Poor choice, very poor choice.



I agree to a certain extent. If I suspect an ineligible player, I would do as you say.

However, what if i know a player is ineligible, I should just let the cheaters play on?

If I KNOW a coach is breaking the rules and I do nothing then I am his accomplice.

Joe

Let me answer that THIS way - you should not KNOW anything at all along these lines. You should not be involved at all in the determination of who can and cannot play. Even if you were the one that ejected said player, each game is a new game - and whatever maneuverings are going on with rosters and eligibility outside the park are truly none of our business. Just call the game - let the administrators deal with administration.

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

Let me answer that THIS way - you should not KNOW anything at all along these lines. You should not be involved at all in the determination of who can and cannot play. Even if you were the one that ejected said player, each game is a new game - and whatever maneuverings are going on with rosters and eligibility outside the park are truly none of our business. Just call the game - let the administrators deal with administration.

Well, I KNOW(for instance) that LL requires a one game suspension after any ejection. If I eject a kid on the last game Thursday night and see him in uniform for the first game on Friday morning, then I would be helping him and his coach break the rules if I did nothing and let him play.

I would handle it this way: I arrive at the field with my partner(s) I see #17 in uniform. I tell the tournament director BEFORE the meeting at home plate and have HIM deal with it now so that it is not my problem later.

Joe

[TussAgee11]

Excuse me, PDX.

I knew somethign was wrong when I thought I was agreeing with PWL.

[LLPA13UmpDan]

Also I forgot, its in the book where a manager can have a replacement; but the DA is not allowing replacements is my understanding. Not 100% on that one this year.