Umpires Fined Or Repremanded

[SanDiegoSteve]

Hey Fudgepacky,

Why don't I come down to where you work and fine and reprimand you for every tiny little mistake you make? How would you like them apples?

[Pudgedaddy]

Jeeze,my question was,why dont we ever hear about officials getting fined or repremanded for poor job performance.And why is it against the rule for coaches or players to speak their minds if they think someone is not up to standards.

SORRY for asking such a stupid question,all of you have a great day.

[briancurtin]

Originally Posted by Pudgedaddy

Jeeze,my question was,why dont we ever hear about officials getting fined or repremanded for poor job performance.

for the same reason that i dont hear about you being repremanded for poor performance at your job.

Originally Posted by Pudgedaddy

And why is it against the rule for coaches or players to speak their minds if they think someone is not up to standards.

ive heard this a lot, but can you define what standards you are talking about? please refer to direct quotes or numbers from said standard.

Originally Posted by Pudgedaddy

SORRY for asking such a stupid question,all of you have a great day.

no problem, and you too.

[LMan]

Originally Posted by Pudgedaddy

Jeeze,my question was,why dont we ever hear about officials getting fined or repremanded for poor job performance.And why is it against the rule for coaches or players to speak their minds if they think someone is not up to standards.

SORRY for asking such a stupid question,all of you have a great day.

Hmm, odd for a troll to quit so soon. So many forums, so little time....

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by PWL

Yeah, the guy is an amateur compared to you, Cornbread.......

More constructive input from this guy, Bob.

Sheesh.........


Tim.

[BlueLawyer]

A few quick thoughts:

Sports officiating is one hell of a lot tougher than it looks. I have always held the opinion that if you can call balls and strikes well and consistently, you can do any job in officiating that requires judgment. No marked lines for up and down on the zone- which changes with every batter- and the call requires three dimensional, spatial judgment. Plus at decent levels the ball breaks a lot or comes in at 90+ mph. Plus at not-so-decent levels, you either expand your zone to call crap pitches strikes or you endure 3 hour, 10-9 walkfests every game. And fields are poorly lit. And and and. . . Baseball even recognizes how tough calling balls and strikes is with a rule protecting us from managers and players leaving their positions to argue.

Fining me for bad calls will drive me (and I am, in all immodesty, pretty damn good) off the field. If I go, you get somebody maybe not quite as good. I have bad nights (last Wednesday comes to mind- ugh!) but I am a consistently good umpire who takes the craft seriously. If I was consistently bad or mediocre at best, I would self-select out of the best assigments. Nobody wants crap on the field, least of all me. But smoking me for one bad call or even one bad game is counterproductive, I think.

On the other hand, umpire discipline should be part of every association's duties. I have drafted a somewhat-overlawyered umpire discipline code for my association. e.g.- Bet on a game you're calling? Banned for life.

So fining me for a "bad" call is a "bad" idea. Besides, how are you going to enforce it? No park I work has QuesTec or even professional photography, as a general rule.

Strikes and outs!

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by Pudgedaddy

Jeeze,my question was,why dont we ever hear about officials getting fined or repremanded for poor job performance.And why is it against the rule for coaches or players to speak their minds if they think someone is not up to standards.

SORRY for asking such a stupid question,all of you have a great day.

Actually, we do "hear about it." A number of officials have lost assignments , been fired or publicly criticized by their superiors over the years. One only needs to have moderately competent reading skills and access to the sports section of a newspaper to "hear about it."

It is agains the rules for game participants to engage in that behavior because they have, in the past, abused that behavior to intimidate officials, even some who did nothing wrong, and incite fans. They hoped to shape future decisions by those officials.

The powers-to-be undestand that the integrity of the game is important enough to keep the participants from directly accusing and "threatening" the officials in public. Participants may still complain, but they need to go through the appropriate channels.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by PWL

How sad is this?

Well, why don't you take this good piece of advice?

[SanDiegoSteve]

Wow, it took you 20 hours to come up with that one. Good job.

[mbyron]

Steve, just wanted to say that I appreciate your not hitting the "quote" button when you reply to his crap - that way I don't even have to read it in the replies!

[SanDiegoSteve]

You're welcome. Thanks for reminding me, he's going back on the list.

[waltjp]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Steve, just wanted to say that I appreciate your not hitting the "quote" button when you reply to his crap - that way I don't even have to read it in the replies!

Yeah, but if the quote button wasn't used a lot of us would never know that he posted. Somehow all his posts vanish. Is auto-delete an option I missed somewhere?