JM, Steve, and Others

[BigUmp56]

The youngest to sign was Edward Rutledge (26)

John Hancock was the president of the Continental Congress at the time.

You're correct about the Commonwealth of Virgina Declaration.


Tim.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

The youngest to sign was Edward Rutledge (26)

John Hancock was the president of the Continental Congress at the time.

You're correct about the Commonwealth of Virgina Declaration.


Tim.

Although some historians have assumed that the first paragraph of the Virginia Declaration of Rights influenced the Declaration of Indpendence, Jefferson does not credit the it with any kinship. The body of the Virginia Declaration is primarily a listing of 16 rights more similar to the the Bill of Rights contained in the US Constitution.

The Declaration of Independence took the form of a resolution with a list of grievances against the King and a conclusion, albeit without the "Therfore be it resolved," that "declared" the states "are and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States......"

[BigUmp56]

That's interesting, Garth. Does Jefferson attribute some of his drafting of the Declaration of Independence to the The First Virginia Constitution that was written in May of that year?


Tim.

[GarthB]

Jefferson, in his letters, refers to a pamphlet he wrote in 1774, "A Summary View of the Rights of British America," which shares some of the form of the Declaration of Independence and the listing of grievances. I'm sure you can find the document on the internet somewhere. Check it out, it will look familiar.

[BigUmp56]

I'll do that, thanks.


Tim.

[GarthB]

I apologize to those who are bewildered by how off-topic this thread became. One of my teaching endorsements is in history, and my family claims Oliver Wolcott, a signer of the Declaration of Indenpendence, as an ancestor.

Thus, I am inclined to jump in on historical discussions, particularly those of "Colonial Times" and/or New York and New England.

Again, sorry.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by GarthB

I apologize to those who are bewildered by how off-topic this thread became. One of my teaching endorsements is in history, and my family claims Oliver Wolcott, a signer of the Declaration of Indenpendence, as an ancestor.

Thus, I am inclined to jump in on historical discussions, particularly those of "Colonial Times" and/or New York and New England.

Again, sorry.

I thought it was very interesting. This is just a fun thread where we can post what we like.

[UmpJM]

Originally Posted by GarthB

I apologize to those who are bewildered by how off-topic this thread became. One of my teaching endorsements is in history, and my family claims Oliver Wolcott, a signer of the Declaration of Indenpendence, as an ancestor.

Thus, I am inclined to jump in on historical discussions, particularly those of "Colonial Times" and/or New York and New England.

Again, sorry.

Garth,

Hey, I'm the one who started us off this cliff, so I don't see where YOU need to apologize. And I don't intend to. Nobody has a gun to his head forcing him to read this. Personally, I find it kind of interesting - not to mention patriotic. It IS the 4th of July holiday, after all.

BTW, there are some in my family who claim Daniel Carroll of Carrollton as an ancestor. Personally, I'm a little skeptical, but I do hold those who founded this country in very high esteem.

JM

[UmpJM]

Originally Posted by GarthB

Jefferson, in his letters, refers to a pamphlet he wrote in 1774, "A Summary View of the Rights of British America," which shares some of the form of the Declaration of Independence and the listing of grievances. I'm sure you can find the document on the internet somewhere. Check it out, it will look familiar.

Garth,

Personally. I find the first three "articles" of the Virginia Declaration of Rights to be obviously, let's just say, "inspirational" to the Declaration of Independence. Especially the actual declaration of independence part.

Most of the remainder (until the end) is clearly a progenitor to some of the basic principles embodied in the text of the Constitution and the following Bill of Rights,

"A Summary View of the Rights of British America", on the other hand (having first read it after your post earlier this evening), strikes me as more like the "Articles of Impeachment" section of the Declaration of Indepedence. As you said, it begins to articulate the grievances of the colonies in regard to their treatment by the British Crown; but I find it significantly less eloquent than the Virginia Declaration in the assertion of rights against those grievances.

JMO.

JM

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by CoachJM

Garth,

Personally. I find the first three "articles" of the Virginia Declaration of Rights to be obviously, let's just say, "inspirational" to the Declaration of Independence. Especially the actual declaration of independence part.

Most of the remainder (until the end) is clearly a progenitor to some of the basic principles embodied in the text of the Constitution and the following Bill of Rights,

"A Summary View of the Rights of British America", on the other hand (having first read it after your post earlier this evening), strikes me as more like the "Articles of Impeachment" section of the Declaration of Indepedence. As you said, it begins to articulate the grievances of the colonies in regard to their treatment by the British Crown; but I find it significantly less eloquent than the Virginia Declaration in the assertion of rights against those grievances.

JMO.

JM

Which is why I used the word "form" and not "style".