Ozzie Guillen's so-called apology

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Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

I am quite sure I know many more gay people than you do, so yes, I feel like somewhat of an authority.

That's quite an assumption considering you have never met me. LOL. I don't know how many gay people you "know"...but then you don't know how many I "know". I'm also guessing that I get to know my gay clients better than you get to know the gay men in the backseat of your taxi cab.

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

All groups get offended all of a sudden when it gives them a political platform.

I don't think the man interviewed on WGN was looking for a political platform. His comments were limited to the Ozzy situation. He didn't make some big political statement about how gays are mistreated all the time in Chicago/Illinois and/or USA.

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Yes, I got pissed when derogatory comments were made about fat people, because it is socially acceptable to make fun of fat people.

It is not socially acceptable in many places that I go. For instance, do it in my work place and you'll be fired. Am I suggesting that calling someone "fat" is as unacceptable in our society as using the "n-word"....no, I'm not. Should it be...yeah.

And as for this argument that they call each other "queen", "queer", "fag" and "gay", so that they can't be offended when someone else does: I know many African-Americans who call each other the "n-word" in their social circles...that does not mean that they're telling me or any of my lilly-white relatives that they wouldn't be offended if I called them that. I think the context is highly relevant.

But, again, I just find it humorous that you have the ability to state as fact that all gay men are not offended by Ozzy's comments...because if they are offended they aren't really gay, or they're just acting offended to make a political statement.

And again I think its quite a double standard that you can state that calling someone "fat" is unacceptable, but calling someone what Ozzy did is o.k.

I'm guessing you're offended at "fat" because you are overweight (for whatever reason...medical condition, etc.)...and I'm just guessing that if you were gay, too, you would have been offended at Ozzy's comments.

Personally, I'm not overweight, nor am I gay...but I'd be uncomfortable being in the presence of a person saying either slur/put-down. And I'd take it as an insult to my overweight and/or gay friends.

[SanDiegoSteve]

I had a long post made in rebuttal to yours, but I deleted it. This is not the proper forum for this type of argument. I stand by my statements, and you are free to do the same.

Ozzie offended Jay Mariotti, and that is to whom he owes an apology, not the gay community. I don't wish to elaborate any further, or this will turn into a discussion about sexual preference and moral values. If it does continue, I'll just delete the whole thread, as it is supposed to be about Ozzie Guillen's half-hearted apology to no one in particular, and to whom I feel it should have been directed.

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Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

. I stand by my statements, and you are free to do the same.

Then "stand by" you and I shall both do.

[3appleshigh]

OUT of SHEER DEVIL'S ADVOCATE Couriosity,

Shouldn't the Gay community really be more upset that the writer found the comment offensive (if he did) than that the Comment was made??

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by 3appleshigh

OUT of SHEER DEVIL'S ADVOCATE Couriosity,

Shouldn't the Gay community really be more upset that the writer found the comment offensive (if he did) than that the Comment was made??

Well, probably because most people are not gay, and the majority of those people think that homosexuality is sinful. Being referred to as gay is offensive to the majority of heterosexuals, and has nothing to do with homophobia, a word that was invented by the far-left to excuse homosexual behavior, and to attempt to normalize it.

"Not that there's anything wrong with it." - Jerry, Elaine, Cosmo, and George

[3appleshigh]

Now I'll agree and I hope most will that the statement most people are not gay is a correct assumtion. However the statement that most of the non gay community think that being Gay is sinful is a major crock of crap.

I would say the majority of the non gay world think that being gay is about as important to them as what level someone sets the toaster on. Now most of the Religious Zealots think that being gay is sinful I'll agree. But again most of the non gay world probably barely think of the word sinful let alone associate Gayness with it. I would bet that most of the world thinks being a religious Zealot is worst than being "the Gay & Beastiality Champion of the world".

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Not to sound racially motivated,but if Ozzie was white do you think he would still have his job? Remember the uproar from that relief pitcher from the Braves a few years back.I think his name was Rocker, who made a comment in jest about the gays in New York and was ultimately railroaded out of baseball.Sounds like good old reverse descrimination to me.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by 3appleshigh

Now I'll agree and I hope most will that the statement most people are not gay is a correct assumtion. However the statement that most of the non gay community think that being Gay is sinful is a major crock of crap.

I would say the majority of the non gay world think that being gay is about as important to them as what level someone sets the toaster on. Now most of the Religious Zealots think that being gay is sinful I'll agree. But again most of the non gay world probably barely think of the word sinful let alone associate Gayness with it. I would bet that most of the world thinks being a religious Zealot is worst than being "the Gay & Beastiality Champion of the world".

I never said that being gay was sinful. Being gay in not sinful, but homosexual acts are. This being a Christian founded nation (fact, just do the research and don't try to argue the point) and that the majority of people in the US consider themselves Christian in some capacity, even though many do not practice their faith, it goes to reason that the majority of people in the US think that the practice of homosexual acts is a sin. It is not so-called "Religous Zealots" who feel this way. It is your mainstream, run-of-the-mill Christian. 87% of the people in the US consider themselves either Jewish or Christian (Catholic or Protestant).

I am not going to apologize for my beliefs, or have you disparage them. There are plenty of other things that God considers sin, and I'm no angel. But I recognize my sinful nature, and repent of it. Believing in God is not being a religous fanatic, sorry but you can't even go there.

You can believe whatever you want, but the Bible, which is the best selling book of all time BTW, of which I believe everything from the Table of Contents to the Maps, says that God loves the sinner but hates the sin. God loves homosexuals (and all mankind), but He abhorrs homosexuality. It is an abomination unto The Lord, and nothing you can rationalize it away with will change that fact.

Now, don't even come back and say that this nation was founded by "diests" and "agnostics" because that is a lie, and the people who say it know it's a lie. The founding fathers, by and large, were God fearing, Christian men, and put that faith into every single document and law that this great nation was built with. I can produce hundreds of quotations to back this up, so don't even try to refute what I say. Just read The Federalist Papers by John Jay and Thomas Jefferson for starters.

All that being said, I, much like God, love people. Somebody said, "we know that you hate Joe West" to which I answered, if you recall, that I don't "hate" anybody. Sure, there are people I dislike, but all men and women are brothers in my way of thinking, and all deserve the love that God loves us with. Gay, straight, black, white, brown, you name it! They are all God's children.