Out or no out

ILBLUE · #1 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 19, 2006, 08:58am

Fed rules.
Ball is hit to F3, ball is held securely in his hand, F3 touches 1st base with his glove before the runner reaches 1st base. Is the runner out or safe ?

CJN · #2 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 19, 2006, 09:01am

Out.......

UmpJM · #3 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 19, 2006, 09:02am

ILBlue,

Out. This is a legal tag of the base (assuming the glove is being properly worn, of course), which is all that is required.

JM

ILBLUE · #4 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 19, 2006, 09:05am

Does anyone know the Fed rule on this ? I can't seem to find it.
Thanks.

LMan · #5 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 19, 2006, 09:13am

This must be "topic of the month"

bob jenkins · #6 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 19, 2006, 09:41am

Quote:

Originally Posted by ILBLUE

Does anyone know the Fed rule on this ? I can't seem to find it.
Thanks.

See 8-4-1f

ozzy6900 · #7 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 19, 2006, 10:09am

Let's look at this another way. If it is legal for F3 to hold the ball in his glove and touch the base with his foot, why would it not be legal for F3 to hold the ball in his hand and touch the base with his glove?

ILBLUE · #8 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 19, 2006, 10:32am

I thought this was an out, but another ump insisted the runner was safe.
Thanks

RPatrino · #9 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 19, 2006, 11:00am

David B · #10 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 19, 2006, 11:05am

Quote:

Originally Posted by ILBLUE

I thought this was an out, but another ump insisted the runner was safe.
Thanks

That's funny, and it would be nice to hear his justification of how he was safe. Umpiring can be so difficult sometimes ... (g)

Thanks
David

LMan · #11 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 19, 2006, 12:19pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

Let's look at this another way. If it is legal for F3 to hold the ball in his glove and touch the base with his foot, why would it not be legal for F3 to hold the ball in his hand and touch the base with his glove?

"Is the hand part of the glove?"

ajjl22 · #12 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 19, 2006, 01:53pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by David B

That's funny, and it would be nice to hear his justification of how he was safe. Umpiring can be so difficult sometimes ... (g)

Thanks
David

He probally confused tagging a base and tagging a runner

TussAgee11 · #13 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 19, 2006, 02:58pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ILBLUE

Fed rules.
Ball is hit to F3, ball is held securely in his hand, F3 touches 1st base with his glove before the runner reaches 1st base. Is the runner out or safe ?

"A TAG is the action of a fielder in touching a base with his body while holding the ball securely and firmly in his hand or glove..."

Unless the glove is a part of his body, something in casebooks or another rule must contradict this.

I'm in agreement that he's out, but would just like to see a ruling.

LMan · #14 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 19, 2006, 03:26pm

This isn't a TAG of a runner, it's a TOUCH of a base. Completely different.

FED 8-4-2j: 'Any runner is out when he fails to reach the next base before a fielder either tags the runner out or holds the ball while touching such base..."

FED 2-24-1: "A force-out is a putout.......or is put out by a fielder who holds the ball while touching the base toward which the force runner is advancing...

Doesn't matter where the ball is as long as it is legally held; then any part of the body that touches the base during/after such a legal catch/hold completes the force.

cmckenna · #15 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 19, 2006, 04:04pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by TussAgee11

"A TAG is the action of a fielder in touching a base with his body while holding the ball securely and firmly in his hand or glove..."

Unless the glove is a part of his body, something in casebooks or another rule must contradict this.

I'm in agreement that he's out, but would just like to see a ruling.

Is his shoe part of his foot???