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Old Tue May 30, 2006, 08:33am
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Deal

What's the deal?
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Old Tue May 30, 2006, 09:07am
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votes were tallied last night, 62%yes, 38%no, about 45members did not vote. both lawyers are talking today about getting the umpires back on the field.
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Old Tue May 30, 2006, 01:18pm
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The difference in what they settled for and what was turned down by a 2-1 vote on the last proposal was $1 per day. The $100 increase was on the table from the beginning. This was stated to be unacceptable. Andy and his minor league guys got a helluva deal. WOW


Minor league umpires settled their season-long strike, ratifying a six-year contract Tuesday that calls for a $100 monthly salary increase.

Umps had said their salaries previously averaged $15,000 at Triple-A, $12,000 at Double-A, $10,000 in full-season A-ball and $5,500 in rookie leagues.

As part of the new deal, per diems rise $3 to $28 at Triple-A, $25 at Double-A and $23 at Class A. They will rise gradually to $40 at Triple-A in 2011, $35 at Double-A and $30 at Class A.

Umpires will return to work by June 12. They had been on strike since minor league seasons began April 6.

"Our goal from the beginning of these negotiations was to obtain a fair contract," Andy Roberts, president of the Association of Minor League Umpires, said in a statement. "It has been a tough struggle, but an important one for our membership. Now it's time to get back on the field. The umpires are ready to work, and we look forward to the rest of the season."

Umps and the Professional Baseball Umpire Corporation agreed to a contract April 27, but umpires rejected that agreement by a 2-1 margin on May 1. The sides resumed talks last Wednesday with the assistance of a federal mediator.

"Late Friday, the AMLU made a proposal to settle the strike that PBUC agreed was acceptable," management lawyer George Yund said in an e-mail Tuesday.
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Old Tue May 30, 2006, 01:25pm
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Please explain

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The difference in what they settled for and what was turned down by a 2-1 vote on the last proposal was $1 per day. The $100 increase was on the table from the beginning. This was stated to be unacceptable. Andy and his minor league guys got a helluva deal. WOW


Minor league umpires settled their season-long strike, ratifying a six-year contract Tuesday that calls for a $100 monthly salary increase.

Umps had said their salaries previously averaged $15,000 at Triple-A, $12,000 at Double-A, $10,000 in full-season A-ball and $5,500 in rookie leagues.

As part of the new deal, per diems rise $3 to $28 at Triple-A, $25 at Double-A and $23 at Class A. They will rise gradually to $40 at Triple-A in 2011, $35 at Double-A and $30 at Class A.

Umpires will return to work by June 12. They had been on strike since minor league seasons began April 6.

"Our goal from the beginning of these negotiations was to obtain a fair contract," Andy Roberts, president of the Association of Minor League Umpires, said in a statement. "It has been a tough struggle, but an important one for our membership. Now it's time to get back on the field. The umpires are ready to work, and we look forward to the rest of the season."

Umps and the Professional Baseball Umpire Corporation agreed to a contract April 27, but umpires rejected that agreement by a 2-1 margin on May 1. The sides resumed talks last Wednesday with the assistance of a federal mediator.

"Late Friday, the AMLU made a proposal to settle the strike that PBUC agreed was acceptable," management lawyer George Yund said in an e-mail Tuesday.

Can you explain? To us country folk it sounds like you're saying that they missed two months of pay to get an extra $30 per month per diem. I'm not real strong at math but it seems like that would take quite a while to make up for the salary they lost by striking.
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Old Tue May 30, 2006, 01:32pm
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Can you explain? To us country folk it sounds like you're saying that they missed two months of pay to get an extra $30 per month per diem. I'm not real strong at math but it seems like that would take quite a while to make up for the salary they lost by striking.

You can never expect to make up what you have lost in the time you have been out. It rarely, if ever, happens.

They have lost approximately nine weeks salary (depending on level worked). They will never get that back.




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Old Tue May 30, 2006, 01:52pm
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You can never expect to make up what you have lost in the time you have been out. It rarely, if ever, happens.

They have lost approximately nine weeks salary (depending on level worked). They will never get that back.




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Old Tue May 30, 2006, 01:49pm
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You are correct Div2ump

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Can you explain? To us country folk it sounds like you're saying that they missed two months of pay to get an extra $30 per month per diem. I'm not real strong at math but it seems like that would take quite a while to make up for the salary they lost by striking.

The last offer from MILB was for a $2 per day raise in the per diem. This was voted down. The AMLU propsed a $3 per day raise in the per diem and it was accepted. The $100 raise has been there from the beginning. So to answer your question, yes they missed 2 months salary to get an extra $30 per month meal money.
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Old Tue May 30, 2006, 04:08pm
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What happened was a mix of younger umpires who fear their career was about to end before it started and a mix of older umpires who honestly still believe they have a shot at the big leagues turned into a bunch of wussies...scared scared scared.

I'm ashamed to admit that at one point I called myself a member of the AMLU...
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Old Tue May 30, 2006, 04:43pm
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Has anyone else noticed a few members are conspicuous through their absences.

I can't recall, who was it that wrote, "Take the hundred dollars a month and ask for a small increase in per diem - you'll never get more than a few bucks, not the national average - and forget about having any control over player/coach discipline. Get back on the field before you lose even part of the season. You aren't as important to the game as you suspect and the amateurs will do a better job than you think."

Hmmmmmmmm?
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Old Tue May 30, 2006, 04:48pm
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As much as it pains me (The stiches are going into my lower lip & tongue as I type) Windy was mostly correct. I think he missed the end date by a bit, but why hold that against him?

The AMLU folks made too many mistakes in this negotiation. MilB made very few - guess who came out ahead?

It's going to be interesting in two years when WUA goes into negotiations with MLB. Union merger anyone?
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Old Tue May 30, 2006, 09:38pm
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Thatballzlow,

Your are excatly right and I am also ashamed to be an AMLU member. I don't know that I will ever work another baseball game.

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Old Wed May 31, 2006, 01:58am
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Damn!! Been out of the game for one day and people already want to buy my plate gear??

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Old Tue May 30, 2006, 10:11pm
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Thatballzlow,

You are excatly right and I am also ashamed to be an AMLU member. I don't know that I will ever work another baseball game.

Clint Lawson
According to a previous post, 45 (roughly 20%) of the membership did not cast a ballot. This could have been the difference in the vote to ratify. Who wouldn't vote on a decision so important?

If you want to be mad, I guess I'd be mad at those 20%.

Don't lose the love of the game, Clint. Give it a few days.
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Old Wed May 31, 2006, 12:55am
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Raw Deal

I think the AMLU got a bloody nose. They deserve a better deal, but it will be interesting to watch this board develop . . . Those who cracked on them for making their own choice to strike will be tempted to crack on them for choosing to accept the contract. No win. What motivates those folks? Jealousy? Hatred? Who knows? Who cares?

A buddy at Triple A expressed this sentiment- "Dude, I'm just happy to be getting back to work."

Now we'll have to find something else to fight about on this board. Don't worry, if there isn't something real soon, there are a few who will invent something.

Strikes and outs!
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Old Thu Jun 01, 2006, 09:33am
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Not surprised ...................

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According to a previous post, 45 (roughly 20%) of the membership did not cast a ballot. This could have been the difference in the vote to ratify. Who wouldn't vote on a decision so important?

If you want to be mad, I guess I'd be mad at those 20%.

Don't lose the love of the game, Clint. Give it a few days.

At our union ratification meeting in April (USW), only 99 out of 145 took the time to vote.

Unions are dying, mostly by their own hand.




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