whats the rulebook say

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by gulf breeze

sorry player hits a triple inavertently hittig the catcher on the back swing..he gets to third base scoring two runs..the catcher after coaching crys but stays in the game..there was no warning for this before in the game..the ruleing was that the batter is dqed and can not play the rest of this game and the rest of the tourny,,also the two runs were taken away..thank you..

SA,

Won't the real SA please shut up, please shut up, please shut up!

As youze kin planely cee frum the orijunal siteation hear, the sorry player hits a triple inaverently hittig the catcher on the back swing. Their wuz no intent on the part of the batter, but the ruleing wuz that the batter is dqed and can not play the rest of the game and the rest of the tourny.

Follow closely now SA.....The point hear iz that their wuz no warnin' given on an accedent throwin' of the bat, and the thrown bat did not interfere with anything. The batter hit a triple, so the catcher wuz not making a play. You are rong. Rong is rong. Rong, rong, rong. The blue that every body hates around the wurld wuz rong to! He shudent have taked away the 2 runs neither. It shud have rezulted in a warnin' only.

Thank youze fur you're support.

[Carbide Keyman]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

SA,

Won't the real SA please shut up, please shut up, please shut up!

As youze kin planely cee frum the orijunal siteation hear, the sorry player hits a triple inaverently hittig the catcher on the back swing. Their wuz no intent on the part of the batter, but the ruleing wuz that the batter is dqed and can not play the rest of the game and the rest of the tourny.

Follow closely now SA.....The point hear iz that their wuz no warnin' given on an accedent throwin' of the bat, and the thrown bat did not interfere with anything. The batter hit a triple, so the catcher wuz not making a play. You are rong. Rong is rong. Rong, rong, rong. The blue that every body hates around the wurld wuz rong to! He shudent have taked away the 2 runs neither. It shud have rezulted in a warnin' only.

Thank youze fur you're support.

We have a winner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LMAO




Doug

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

This is easily explained. The umpire that made this call was ... ignorant ... when it comes to the rules of the game.

Maybe, maybe not.

Some leagues have a local rule that a batter is out for throwing a bat (perhaps after a warning).

Maybe the game in the OP was played under these rules; maybe the umpire was used to umpiring under these rules (in which case he's still wrong, but it's understandable).

[SAump]

THROWING THE BAT RULE
Young players quite often let go of the bat during or after a swing and sometimes hit another player. There is no rule that covers this situation. It is a safety issue and may be handled under the authority of rule 9.01(c) which gives the umpire authority to rule on anything not specifically covered in the rules.

Quite often I hear that umpires call the batter out for doing this. Sometimes it is after a warning and sometimes without. This is not correct. The defense hasn't earned an out. The batter should be called out, only if the throwing of the bat interfered with an attempted play by the defense.

The Official Little League policy that I was given from Western Region is:
After the first occurrence, inform the player and the manager that if this or any other player lets go of the bat again, he will be removed from the game. He may remain on the bench, he just can't play anymore in that game.

Submitted by: Jim Booth

[BigUmp56]

Sorry, but once again you're wrong. Williamsport has made it very clear that there will be no more administrative removal. I've already given you a direct quote from the Rules Instruction Manual that's handed out exclusively to regional clinicians. As knoweldgable as Jim is, he holds no official position within the heirarcy of the Little League organization, hence whatever insight he's given you on this matter is one based purely on opinion.



Tim.

[SAump]

6.7 THROWN BAT -

6.7.1 The batter is out and the ball is dead if (a) the batter throws the bat unintentionally in a dangerous manner and it hits the catcher, umpire, any player, or coach in his normal position, goes into a dugout or into the crowd which is outside of the playing field (bat must hit spectator or player); or (b) the batter intentionally throws the bat in a dangerous manner or (c) upon hitting a fair or foul ball, the batter unintentionally throws the bat and it interferes with play in any way. These are not appeal plays. They are interference plays and "in a dangerous manner" is to be adjudged by the umpire.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

I don't see interference here. What I see is a carelessly discarded bat and an umpire with a limited understanding of the rules of youth baseball. Someone who works USSSA will be better suited to answer your question, but in Little League and Babe Ruth, a carelessy discarded bat warrants a bench warning and an ejection on the next offense. Even with an ejection the only youth organization that I know that calls the offender out is Dizzy Dean.


Tim.

I went back and quoted my first post in this thread for you, SA. Notice in the post where I mention that Dizzy Dean is the only organization that I'm aware of that has a provision for calling a batter out for a carelessly discarded bat. That's exactly where you found that rule, so it still does nothing to support your nonsense.


Tim.

[LakeErieUmp]

What's the record for the longest thread that said nothing new?

[Rich Ives]

Notice in the post where I mention that Dizzy Dean is the only organization that I'm aware of that has a provision for calling a batter out for a carelessly discarded bat. That's exactly where you found that rule, so it still does nothing to support your nonsense.

I can't find any 6.7.1 in Dizzy Dean. I can only find a bat slinging rule for the two 8 and under groups and it's rule 20:01.

[SAump]

Originally Posted by LakeErieUmp

What's the record for the longest thread that said nothing new?

The original (as it pertains to me) RISING FASTBALL MYTH was viewed well over 3000 times and had just short of 300 posts. It was then deleted by the original author who thought nothing of the contibutions from every other member. I lost at least 30 in that one thread.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Notice in the post where I mention that Dizzy Dean is the only organization that I'm aware of that has a provision for calling a batter out for a carelessly discarded bat. That's exactly where you found that rule, so it still does nothing to support your nonsense.

I can't find any 6.7.1 in Dizzy Dean. I can only find a bat slinging rule for the two 8 and under groups and it's rule 20:01.

This whole friggin' thread is making me dizzy, Dean.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Notice in the post where I mention that Dizzy Dean is the only organization that I'm aware of that has a provision for calling a batter out for a carelessly discarded bat. That's exactly where you found that rule, so it still does nothing to support your nonsense.

I can't find any 6.7.1 in Dizzy Dean. I can only find a bat slinging rule for the two 8 and under groups and it's rule 20:01.

Well, I'll wait for him to post where he came up with that rule then, Rich. You and I both know that we discussed the Dizzy Dean rule on eteamz earlier this month. I pulled the rule off of their web-site then and really didn't see the need to re-confirm what the number of the rule was.


Tim.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by SAump

The original (as it pertains to me) RISING FASTBALL MYTH was viewed well over 3000 times and had just short of 300 posts. It was then deleted by the original author who thought nothing of the contibutions from every other member. I lost at least 30 in that one thread.

I deleted the thread because it was like arguing with a four year old child. Your use of misdirection by posting equations non essential to the debate became sickening, so I killed it.


Tim.

[LMan]

Originally Posted by SAump

I lost at least 30 in that one thread.

The mind shudders at the tragedy.

[mcrowder]

The thing you guys are not TAKING into account here is LIFT. Surely you all realize that LIFT is the reason the batter is ejected and out. That AND random capiTALIZation of words.