What's the penalty for.....

[DG]

Originally Posted by WooPigSooie

So, basically, since this was a steal attempt from 2nd to 3rd and 2nd was the last base occupied, leave him at third and issue a warning. But if this was a live batted ball (double to the gap, we'll say) and there was a runner on first at the time, I could possibly issue an award of home to the the runner who began at first if I feel he could have reached the plate.

Correct? Thanks for the help, guys.

Correct. But after a warning for fake tag, the next time he does it eject him.

[WooPigSooie]

So, is the warning is issued to 'fake tagger', not all the players on the team? If I issue a warning and later in the game the same teams second basemen fakes a tag, issue another or eject because the 'team' has been warned.

Sorry for all the questions. I know this is kind of an obscure occurance.

[NIump50]

Originally Posted by WooPigSooie

So, is the warning is issued to 'fake tagger', not all the players on the team? If I issue a warning and later in the game the same teams second basemen fakes a tag, issue another or eject because the 'team' has been warned.

Sorry for all the questions. I know this is kind of an obscure occurance.

Fake tags aren't all that rare.
Issuing the warning can be a team or individual warning, your choice, because since it is unsportsmanlike conduct you are not obligated to issue a warning, you could if appropriate eject on the first occurrence.

[DG]

Originally Posted by NIump50

Fake tags aren't all that rare.
Issuing the warning can be a team or individual warning, your choice, because since it is unsportsmanlike conduct you are not obligated to issue a warning, you could if appropriate eject on the first occurrence.

Let's not mis-lead WooPigSooie. A fake tag is obstruction. Award bases as approprite. "After the end of playing action, the umpire shall issue a warning to the coach of the team involved and the next offender on that team shall be ejected." So it is a team warning, and the next offender on that team is ejected. There is no basis for ejection on the first offense. If you issue an "official" warning, to the coach, you must eject on the next offense by the same team.

[NIump50]

Originally Posted by DG

Let's not mis-lead WooPigSooie. A fake tag is obstruction. Award bases as approprite. "After the end of playing action, the umpire shall issue a warning to the coach of the team involved and the next offender on that team shall be ejected." So it is a team warning, and the next offender on that team is ejected. There is no basis for ejection on the first offense. If you issue an "official" warning, to the coach, you must eject on the next offense by the same team.

I think you're right. I stand corrected.

[RPatrino]

How does the FED obstruction penalty influence how you call obstruction?

In my opinion, the OBR method of allowing us to make a "judgment" call on whether to award bases, and the number of bases to award is much more fair then the FED penalty.

For example, during a JV game, BR collided with F3 who was standing on top of first base, and in his own words, "just minding my own business". I instinctively called "that's obstruction". After the play I awarded BR second base. If the game was played under OBR, he would have stayed at 1b.

My opinion is that we should call obstruction every time a fielder is in the way of a runner. The defense needs to learn to pay attention and stay out of the runner's way. If we don't call obstruction when we see it, the defense gains a great advantage.

I don't agree with the FED's penalty for obstruction.

Bob P.

[NIump50]

Originally Posted by RPatrino

How does the FED obstruction penalty influence how you call obstruction?

In my opinion, the OBR method of allowing us to make a "judgment" call on whether to award bases, and the number of bases to award is much more fair then the FED penalty.

For example, during a JV game, BR collided with F3 who was standing on top of first base, and in his own words, "just minding my own business". I instinctively called "that's obstruction". After the play I awarded BR second base. If the game was played under OBR, he would have stayed at 1b.

My opinion is that we should call obstruction every time a fielder is in the way of a runner. The defense needs to learn to pay attention and stay out of the runner's way. If we don't call obstruction when we see it, the defense gains a great advantage.

I don't agree with the FED's penalty for obstruction.

Bob P.

Fed allows us to make a judgement as to where the runners would have made it had their been no obstruction and award accordingly, minimum of one base.
What part don't you like?

[BlueLawyer]

Once upon a time I read an article in Referee magazine breaking down the Fed/OBR rules differences based, essentially, on four factors: (1) economics (metal bats); (2) safety (force play slide rule- although I think there is reasonable disagreement on whether that works); (3) time (run rule- 7 innings); and (4) participation (re-entry rule). I am not convinced that the Fed obstruction rule works to further any of those goals. If there is unintentional but also non-malicious obstruction, the award should mirror the OBR rule- award according to the umpire's judgment. If the obstruction is malicious, ejection (also an available remedy in OBR) is plenty of added punishment.

There are other Fed rules I would rewrite if I were in charge. Unfortunately, nobody has asked me yet.

My .02.

Strikes and outs!