What's the penalty for.....

[NIump50]

Originally Posted by WooPigSooie

a faked tag according to FED. Doing an 13-14 yr old youth league game played under FED rules. Runner on second. Wild pitch. Catcher never recovers in time. As the runner is running to 3rd, third basemen fakes receiving the ball and does a swipe, baiting the runner to slide.

Cant find my rule books ANYWHERE (the story of my life). Thanks for the help.

8-3-2
Obstructed runner and all other runners gets whatever base you feel they would have got had he not been obstructed, in this case third, a minimum of one base beyond his position on base when the obstuction occurred. By the letter of the law 2nd was the last base held before the obstruction so no additional bases are awarded. If he was still applying the tag when he touched third I'd be sending him home.
Also, this is unsportmanlike conduct, so I'd be issuing warnings.

[WooPigSooie]

So, basically, since this was a steal attempt from 2nd to 3rd and 2nd was the last base occupied, leave him at third and issue a warning. But if this was a live batted ball (double to the gap, we'll say) and there was a runner on first at the time, I could possibly issue an award of home to the the runner who began at first if I feel he could have reached the plate.

Correct? Thanks for the help, guys.

[NIump50]

Originally Posted by WooPigSooie

So, basically, since this was a steal attempt from 2nd to 3rd and 2nd was the last base occupied, leave him at third and issue a warning. But if this was a live batted ball (double to the gap, we'll say) and there was a runner on first at the time, I could possibly issue an award of home to the the runner who began at first if I feel he could have reached the plate.

Correct? Thanks for the help, guys.

Correct.

In the original post, the fake tag was purely out of meanness, definitly unsportsmanlike. In the above situation F6 had a noble purpose of trying to stop the run. If not caught a heads up play. Doesn't change a thing in my decision making but I have to say I appreciate a gamer

[DG]

Originally Posted by WooPigSooie

So, basically, since this was a steal attempt from 2nd to 3rd and 2nd was the last base occupied, leave him at third and issue a warning. But if this was a live batted ball (double to the gap, we'll say) and there was a runner on first at the time, I could possibly issue an award of home to the the runner who began at first if I feel he could have reached the plate.

Correct? Thanks for the help, guys.

Correct. But after a warning for fake tag, the next time he does it eject him.

[WooPigSooie]

So, is the warning is issued to 'fake tagger', not all the players on the team? If I issue a warning and later in the game the same teams second basemen fakes a tag, issue another or eject because the 'team' has been warned.

Sorry for all the questions. I know this is kind of an obscure occurance.

[NIump50]

Originally Posted by WooPigSooie

So, is the warning is issued to 'fake tagger', not all the players on the team? If I issue a warning and later in the game the same teams second basemen fakes a tag, issue another or eject because the 'team' has been warned.

Sorry for all the questions. I know this is kind of an obscure occurance.

Fake tags aren't all that rare.
Issuing the warning can be a team or individual warning, your choice, because since it is unsportsmanlike conduct you are not obligated to issue a warning, you could if appropriate eject on the first occurrence.

[DG]

Originally Posted by NIump50

Fake tags aren't all that rare.
Issuing the warning can be a team or individual warning, your choice, because since it is unsportsmanlike conduct you are not obligated to issue a warning, you could if appropriate eject on the first occurrence.

Let's not mis-lead WooPigSooie. A fake tag is obstruction. Award bases as approprite. "After the end of playing action, the umpire shall issue a warning to the coach of the team involved and the next offender on that team shall be ejected." So it is a team warning, and the next offender on that team is ejected. There is no basis for ejection on the first offense. If you issue an "official" warning, to the coach, you must eject on the next offense by the same team.

[NIump50]

Originally Posted by DG

Let's not mis-lead WooPigSooie. A fake tag is obstruction. Award bases as approprite. "After the end of playing action, the umpire shall issue a warning to the coach of the team involved and the next offender on that team shall be ejected." So it is a team warning, and the next offender on that team is ejected. There is no basis for ejection on the first offense. If you issue an "official" warning, to the coach, you must eject on the next offense by the same team.

I think you're right. I stand corrected.